Another Unsuccessful Assault On The Glass Ceiling
Oregon St. opened the season with a road loss, 30-21 to sixth ranked TCU, and disappointing describes it. Not that weren't some real positives; there were. But also some seriously negative negatives.
The Beavers have the inglorious honor of being the first and only team to pick off Horned Frogs quarterback Andy Dalton more than once, and still manage to lose. That makes the loss especially frustrating, because one of the game keys was to get some picks.
Dalton has never lost when he doesn't throw an interception, so Lance Mitchell's first quarter takeaway that eventually led to James Rodgers' touchdown suggested the Beavers would actually have a chance. When Dalton throws one interception, the senior TCU QB suddenly drops from untouchable to only a 70% winner.
Dwight Roberson's pickoff put Dalton and TCU into territory they have never been successful in. But Oregon St. couldn't capitalize in the last third of the game, and an unforced error effectively ended it when miscommunication resulted in center Alex Linnenkohl snapping the ball over quarterback Ryan Katz' head while he wasn't even looking.
The play will be repeatedly replayed, and long remembered, but it isn't what beat the Beavers. TCU won the battle in the trenches both ways, and they did it emphatically.
The Horned Frogs ran the ball more than twice as often as the Beavers, and for nearly four times as many yards. And their second most productive runner, Matthew Tucker, had more carries than Jacquizz Rodgers did for Oregon St., and virtually as many yards. And that's not because Oregon St. was pass-happy. Dalton threw more passes than Katz, and completed more of them, and for more yards. As well as running for 64 yards and two touchdowns.TCU also held the ball for a 2-1 advantage in time of possession, and had more than twice as many first downs, 28 to 13. Oregon St. only sacked Dalton once, when Steven Paea got thru one of the double teams he faced all night, and will see every week of the season.
Quizz averaged over 4 yards per carry, but only managed 75 yards. And was never thrown to. Meanwhile, Ed Wesley, another of these small but enormously strong Texas running backs, tore up the Oregon St. defense for 134 yards and a touchdown, on 17 carries, which is almost 8 yards per touch.
Wesley, at just 5'9", and 200 lbs., is only slightly larger than the Rodgers brothers, but is similarly strong almost beyond belief. The Beavers will not be the last team Wesley runs over.
To be fair, Oregon St. will not see another defense this season that is the equal of TCU, who has been the nation's leader in total defense the last two years, and four times in the last decade. Not many offensive lines will equal or exceed the size of the Horned Frogs' group that is over 300 lbs. across the front.
But until Oregon St. can survive in the trenches against the likes of TCU, even players like ‘Quizz and James aren't going to be able to lift the Beavers from being a top 20-30 team to a top 10 team.
Too Many Tackles By Safeties
Mitchell led Oregon St. with 18 tackles, and Suaesi Tuimaunei was next, with 13. When your safeties make 31 tackles, your opponent has gotten far too deep into your defense far too often.
Knowing TCU is such a strong running team, and that Dalton gives them an extra running threat on every play, Oregon St. had Tuimaunei up in run support a lot of the time. Which had a lot to do with some of what happened in the secondary. On one occasion, Mitchell took a penalty, but a close look at the tape reveals that Mitchell was the only defender with three TCU receivers in the area. Allowing only a 15 yard penalty gain out of that isn't so bad a decision.
Cornerback Brandon Hardin got burned for a deep seam route for a 52 yard gain in the second quarter. Hardin had no inside help, as Mitchell was picking up a crossing route underneath, and Tuimaunei was up in rush support. This is the kind of coverage mistake that can't happen, but often does early in the year, especially against a team like TCU.
One of the Horned Frogs strengths is the ability to get opposing defenses to congregate, overloading in a given area, and then attacking the resulting open space.
Dalton Makes History
Dalton's first ever win after throwing more than one interception also moved him past hall of fame quarterback Sammy Baugh. Dalton's 30th. career win became the TCU school record, but probably one that will be rewritten on a regular basis. With BYU and Utah being the toughest opponents remaining on the Horned Frogs' schedule, Dalton's career total could well top 40. And end with a legitimate shot at a BCS title game bid.
Katz Off To A Good Start
Katz, who not only made his first start, but took his first meaningful snap, did better than could be expected, and considering the quality of an opponent, has to get a solid "B" grade. Ordinarily, completing less than 40% of your passes would rate a "D", but it was one of the best first starts by an Oregon St. quarterback.
Katz threw for two touchdowns, and maybe more importantly, no interceptions. Katz also made good decisions when it came to avoiding sacks. There were too many incompletions, and throws too far off target, but Katz made good decisions about where to throw most of the time, and clearly has the arm to stretch defenses like no OSU qb since Derek Anderson.
On the downside, Katz has work to do on checkdowns. Katz never went to ‘Quizz, who had open space to operate in a number of times when the ball wound up being forced to tougher targets. And slotback Joe Halahuni only caught two balls. One was very effective late in the game.
Katz will learn from the experience though, and checkdowns like these are one of the toughest things, and last things, new quarterbacks master.
Riley Tried To Win
Oregon St. coach Mike Riley has to get credit for the decision to go for the fake punt, which punter Johnny Hekker, who was a quarterback of some note back in his high school career in Bothell, WA. Riley has come under some criticism for play calling and preparation at times, but in this game, which Riley endorsed as an upgrade over a home game against Eastern Washington, the Beavers used a variety of creative plays.
In addition to Hekker's pass to Jordan Poyer, there was an interesting look, with James Rodgers at tailback, and ‘Quizz at fullback. And more deep passes than were seen in the first third of last season.
Questions about why Riley left a timeout on the board arose before the game even ended, and in postgame conversations, but when Riley decided to not use the Beavers' last timeout, TCU coach Gary Patterson didn't run a play that could have opened the margin to double digits.
Patterson wasn't worried about covering the spread, satisfied to get the win against a better opponent than many the Horned Frogs will blow out in the weeks to come.
We saw more class from Riley and Patterson than we will see by some before the season ends.
Kicking Game A Letdown
Winning at this level requires very few mistakes, and while Hekker's completion led to an OSU touchdown, and he had some good positional punts, he also had a couple of clunkers, one that would have ended the game earlier had Roberson not made a game saving interception.
Justin Kahut also had some effective directional kickoffs, but missed badly on his only field goal attempt. ESPN accurately noted that Oregon St. has a recent history of far too many field goals instead of touchdowns, but a field goal is still much better than coming away empty, especially in a game that was a one score game for over 55 minutes.
What We Learned This Weekend
First and foremost, Oregon St. does in fact have a competent replacement at quarterback. Most that saw Katz over the spring and summer thought so, but no one, Katz included, was sure.
Surprises can be expected, especially if you show up to play. Though Oregon reminded everyone that not everyone can beat anyone with their 72-0 demolition of New Mexico, the fact that two FCS teams not only beat FBS teams, they beat BCS conference opponents on their own turf. One of them an SEC team, when Jacksonville St. spoiled ex-Duck Jeramiah Masoli's debut with a 49-48 double overtime win over Ole' Miss. Was it really worth it to have drugs in the car while already on probation? And I wonder what all might be burning in Oxford, Mississippi tonight.
The other surprise spoiled new Kansas coach Turner Gill's debut, when North Dakota St. upset the Jayhawks 6-3.
Washington isn't that close to being back yet. The Huskies still can't win on the road, losing the lead twice, and going scoreless in the second half, in a 23-17 defeat in Provo, against a Brigham Young team that was also breaking in two new quarterbacks. This despite a good performance by Jake Locker.
WSU is still way off. The Cougars fumbled to start the game, were behind two plays later, and got destroyed 65-17 in Stillwater by a rebuilding Oklahoma St. team.
USC may have no defense, but UCLA is still behind them. Matt Barkley had a spectacular five touchdown night in the Trojans' 49-36 win at Hawaii Thursday night, but he will need a lot more of them if USC doesn't cover someone at some point. UCLA dropped a 31-22 contest at Kansas St., as the pistol offense misfired at times, and the Bruin defense eventually was exposed as well. UCLA has the weapons to be dangerous to anyone, themselves included. Too many mistakes by Rick Neuheisel's guys to expect to succeed against their schedule, which features Stanford, Houston, and Texas yet this month.
Coaching changes should be considered carefully. New Mexico fired former Oregon St. assistant coach Rocky Long because, he was [only] winning more that he was losing, and only sometimes a bowl team, but the Lobos were not capable of winning the Mt. West Conference, going against the likes of TCU, future Pac-11/12 Utah (who by the way defeated an old OSU foe Pittsburg 27-24 in overtime Thursday), and BYU. Now, they have Mike Locksley, who has brought assaults among the staff, and sexual harassment charges, and came off a 1-11 year to today's disaster at Autzen. How's firing Rocky working out for you Lobo fans now?
Ducks use a two QB system after all. Darron Thomas was named the starter by Oregon coach Chip Kelly, who said he wouldn't platoon quarterbacks, but Nate Costa actually played more. The fact that the Ducks were up 59-0 in the second quarter, after Kenjon Barner "filled in" for LaMichael James, suspended for the opener, with five touchdowns, and Cliff Harris returned two punts for touchdowns, after taking over for Barner, had something to do with that.
If the Ducks played the Lobos 11 more times this season, you could engrave the Heisman Trophy with Barner's name right now.
Perhaps the Lobos and Cougars should have scheduled each other, and Oregon should have played Oklahoma St., their 2008 Holiday Bowl opponents, again.
We really didn't learn a thing about Stanford, Cal, Arizona, or Arizona St. At least anything we didn't already know. Wins by margins of 52-17 over Sacrificial St. (I mean Sacramento St.), 52-3 over UC-Davis, 41-2 at Toledo, and 54-9 over Portland St. could have all rivaled Oregon's best in class rout.
Was it worth it?
Depends on how you do the math. And whether another of these tough and fast Texas backs, like the Rodgers, Wesley, or LaMichael James, signs on for the Beavers in the next year or two.
Riley says he will keep "shooting these bullets", and that he likes the big games as preparation for more big games. But whether another game of this sort, at a non-neutral neutral site will make business sense, or Oregon St. athletic director Bob De Carolis will sign up for it, remains to be seen.
Over 5,000 Beaver Believers made the trip, at prices rivaling or exceeding bowl game costs, but only 46,138 (including Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott, and the building's owner, Jerry Jones) found their way into Cowboys' Stadium, which has a six figure capacity.
Reser will hold a crowd that size, and for some perspective, the last time Oregon St. hosted a Big Sky opponent, 41,679 fans turned out to see the Beavers beat Portland St. And Oregon St. kept the lion's share of that game's gate, and collected television money then as well. With far lower expenses.
If playing FCS teams isn't appealing, the last "mid-major" (non-BCS) FBS visitor, Hawaii, drew a crowd of over 45,000.
There was some good exposure for the program in the deal, but it wasn't a financial boon by any measure.
The bye will be good for OSU, and bad for Louisville.
Oregon St. now has a load of material to work on, not only with Katz, but also their lines, in the two weeks until Louisville, 23-16 losers to Kentucky in their home opener, arrive at Reser. The Cardinals host Eastern Kentucky next week, presumably an easier opponent than the Wildcats.
Meanwhile, it will be like a second camp, and possibly even more productive than the first one, for Oregon St.
Fortunately, failure to break thru on the ESPN stage at Cowboys Stadium apparently didn't include any significant injuries, and because the Beavers were competitive despite the statistical problems until nearly the end, Rose Bowl prospects were unaffected. Because of the BCS one-time non-BCS conference rule with the Rose Bowl, a rematch with TCU is even possible.
The Beavers didn't give up, didn't give in to the ‘wow' factor, didn't give up five interceptions, like happened against Cincinnati, and didn't give up 45 points, as happened at Penn St.
So despite tonight's disappointment, it should be a better Beaver team that takes the field in two weeks.
Andy_Wooldridge@yahoo.com
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I hate to say it, but...
With Canfield, we win this game. Barely. But still >_<
I think the frustrating part about this game is that the team could have won. Granted they got outplayed, but not quite as much where it counts – on the scoreboard. I was expecting a 20+ point loss realistically, but having it be so close makes the hope all the more disappointing in the end.
Oh well, the only thing to do is to get better and move forward!
Canfield?
I think we need to remember back to the opening games of last season and Canfield wasn’t blowing teams away. There was even talk by some about how we needed to get Moevao back in there if we wanted to have any chance last season. I don’t think we should project what Canfield was doing for the team during conference play, and especially at the end there, with the Canfield we saw against Cincy and UNLV (and even UA) last year, especially remember how frustrating that UNLV game was for the offense and basically Quizz’s 160+ yards rushing won that game for us.
Tonight’s game was largely lost due to the defense. Katz was not perfect by any means, but I personally think if the D stops TCU on more 3 and outs and the Beavs get more touches on offense I think the score reverses itself. Katz was finding a groove at times there but then TCU would go on those long drives kept the OSU offense off the field and out of a rythmn (and actually we got VERY lucky on the second half opening drive with the INT for TCU was picking apart the defense towards taking total control of the game).
Canfield before the ASU game last year would have won the game MAYBE with how the defense played, Canfield the first four games of the year would have not changed the outcome of the game today.
-RVM
Correction
“Canfield before the ASU game last year” = “Canfield after the ASU game last year”, sorry getting late me thinks!
-RVM
I suppose it’s a good showing for Beaver September.
Of course, the AtQ people are getting all cocky now after this and their blowout win over NMSU. Our game was a lot more exciting than their scrimmage, er, “game”, though!
It wasn’t bad nor was it really good I think. I just have to admit I liked what I saw out of Katz. I think he’ll have some rough spots this year but also will only improve too I think. That is what Canfield did and my main point.
Yes, and I’m in total agreement about the UO deal versus our game. Let’s see how the Tennessee game goes before getting really cocky. Can’t believe they got NMSU and PSU for non-conference games! UT though could be a good game.
-RVM
Mixed feelings
I hate the Ducks’ cupcake schedule, feel for Tennessee getting ditched by their coach, and think the Duck egos need to be deflated a bit.
On the other hand, I want a strong Pac-10 showing, especially over the SEC, and I generally root for the Ducks when they’re not playing the Beavers (I’m still an Oregonian, you know?)
Guess I win/lose either way next week!
I’m the same as you scotty256. I root for the Beavers when I’m not rooting for the Ducks. I was rooting for the Beavers yesterday, I’m sure you are going to win against Louisville at Reeser, and I will be in full-on Beaver mode when they play Boise St. I don’t even care that it will result in many Beaver fans bragging that they beat Boise State but the Ducks lost. There are few things that will make me happier than the Beavers going in there and manhandling BSU.
And in the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss...the REIGNING...DEFENDING...UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC TEN...the Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 5, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks MarineCorpsDuck! I have always appreciated your perspective.
Also thanks for making my next comments seem much more self-centered then they are meant to be!
When we beat BSU I will say that I won’t be thinking at all that we beat them and the ducks couldn’t. Maybe if it was in the same season, but different teams and different seasons so that is an unfair comparison.
But have to be honest and say I do hope UT takes down the ducks a bit. It just rubs me the wrong way that the UO is all cocky about this NMSU game and then you all get to still play PSU. The issue is all those years hearing about how our Beavs always played these cupcake preseason schedules and I don’t remember a preseason quite as easy as this one for the ducks this year.
Am I rooting for a UT win? Hmm, don’t know if it is that far I guess, but you never know with my own “mixed feelings.” More seriously I just want a more realistic result and more reasonable game before the ducks really can beat their chests about winning. Go to Tennessee and beat what could be a good team there and by all means get cocky, no Beavers fan should hold that against you all.
Ok, to be semi-friendly here! I do agree with dvieira below and it was an impressive way to open the season with an offense that you all had some question marks about, especially the QB situation. SO I TOTALLY do understand the good vibes, really I do even if I might not be totally warmed up to them as an OSU fan!
Cheers!
-RVM
by rvm on Sep 5, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
It seems that teams that have BCS aspirations try to stick to the one cupcake, one average and one better competition formula for the non-con schedule. I bet when the Ducks scheduled UNM, they were not the worst team in D1 (Rocky Long had some ok teams), so I do not begrude the Ducks schedule. The Beavers were doing the same thing until the TCU opportunity came along.
Correct. New Mexico beat Arizona in 2008. I think both OSU and UO schedule Portland State as a favor to them. And Tennessee was one of those teams last year that nobody wanted to play because they played everyone tough. We got kinda unlucky that both NM and Tenn are way down.
And in the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss...the REIGNING...DEFENDING...UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC TEN...the Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 5, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but if scotty256 is correct and we have some fans getting overly cocky and dismissing the Beavs I just have an issue with past criticisms I remember about OSU scheduling.
I don’t really begrudge UO athletic program scheduling for they are doing nothing that much more than anyone else, and in reality the UO program has scheduled some pretty decent non-conference games over the years and have had some pretty good success with those games (OU and Michigan come to mind), if that all makes sense.
I may have jumped the gun a bit and might have read a bit more into scotty256’s comments. But in the past I have personally heard a lot of smack coming from duck fans about how easy we used to schedule games, which was funny to me because we also seemed to time playing teams at the height of their success (Cincy, Louisville, and Boise State come to mind from the past match ups).
-RVM
Correct. I honestly don’t think that most Duck fans are getting cocky because of yesterday. Reading the comments on ATQ today, it looks like most fans agree with the premise that we didn’t really learn anything new yesterday. I think the #1 thing we’ve taken from that game is that our new starting QB got to ease into being a starter instead of getting thrown into the deep end like Katz.
I’ll tell you one thing though…some of those throws Katz made yesterday really showed why this kid has gotten so much hype. I don’t think you can take too much stock out of either team’s games yesterday. OSU was #24 and playing a top-10 team on the road. They played a close game. UO was playing a terrible team at home, and boatraced them accordingly. We’ll know way more about these teams a month from now, and I still think it’s very likely that the Civil War to be for the roses again. And unlike most Beaver and Duck fans, it’s a great situation for me. If the Ducks can’t go to the Rose Bowl, I’d prefer the Beavers go over the fuskies, Furd, Cal, U$C, Neuweasel/UCLA, or bottle-throwing Arizona fans. (Notice I left out the Cougs and Sun Devils, who should be battling for last place).
And in the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss...the REIGNING...DEFENDING...UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC TEN...the Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 5, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m nervous, in all honesty. The comforting thing that I keep reminding myself is that he’s a 3rd-year player, not a freshman. He’s been in Autzen, played in Reeser in the ’08 Civil War, played in the Holiday Bowl, and traveled to the Rose Bowl last year.
And in the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss...the REIGNING...DEFENDING...UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC TEN...the Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 5, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but if scotty256 is correct and we have some fans getting overly cocky and dismissing the Beavs I just have an issue with past criticisms I remember about OSU scheduling.
I have a problem with past criticisms as well from UO fans toward OSU. I think this is one of those things that is an easy target for some fans. I remember 2 years ago some OSU fans saying that when we played Utah State at home, after playing Purdue on the road and losing to Boise State at home. You pretty much can’t avoid it. There’s going to be some irrational Duck fan next week saying, “yeah, well we played at Tennessee this week and you guys played sorry ass Louisville at home”. The problem with listening to, or arguing with, irrational fans is that they will never be rational and it will just drive you crazy trying!
And in the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss...the REIGNING...DEFENDING...UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC TEN...the Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 5, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep, and hope I’m not coming across as a total OSU snob, I totally know it cuts both ways from both fan bases.
-RVM
You aren’t coming across that way at all. I’m on your blog here! I don’t think I’ve had any problems with anyone on here since a certain character disappeared after the ‘08 Civil War. I really do like the Beavers, but I know it can be annoying having a Duck fan invade over here, so if I ever get out of line or need to give it a rest you really don’t need to be afraid to say so and I’ll go back to ATQ.
And in the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss...the REIGNING...DEFENDING...UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC TEN...the Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 5, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm so tempted to
“say so” just for fun, but you’re being all thought-provoking and respectful and stuff.
WTY's ERA+ = 147 : - ) -- Kevin Frandsen > Brandon Wood??????
Actually
I was just talking about this year in isolation, as far as scheduling. My main gripe was that it’s annoying to get flack from some of the Oregon/Boise State fans about our loss, when there’s a fair chance they would have lost that game themselves.
That’s rivalry and competition, though, so not a huge deal :)
I’m personally concerned about Boise State from the injury angle. I remember watching the Ducks play them at Autzen in 2008. Every time things weren’t looking good for BSU, out came the cheap shots! I have never seen so many blatantly cheap shots in one football game in my life. So if BSU beats VT, we’ll be their “Oregon” this year. Ugh.
Boise State is going to be a tough game. If the Beavs improve from this TCU game for the Louisville one and then improve even more for the BSU one I don’t see why the team can’t win both remaining non-conference games.
But not an easy road up ahead.
-RVM
by rvm on Sep 6, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Any Duck fans that are beating their chests and feeling cocky just because of this win are irrational. It was a tuneup game, and really a great time to have one given it being Thomas’s first start. After last year against Boise St, I want the Ducks to schedule just like mckalk said: 1 cupcake, 1 mid-tier BCS school, and 1 top-25 type opponent. With a 9-game conference, and the BCS system set up the way it is, the only time the non-conference schedule directly has an impact is when choosing the teams to play in the National Championship game, and as a tie-breaker for a BCS at-large bid. The Rose Bowl, and the rest of the bowl order, only looks at conference record.
I applaud the Beavers for scheduling tough, and I think that it really helps when you be prepared when you get into the conference schedule. I wish the system worked differently and they would get some credit for that. They’ll get credit from fans and “experts” when they have discussions, but when it comes to the voters in the polls, they are going to vote a 10-2 team who played 3 bad non-conference games over a 9-3 team who played 3 tough non-conference games. I don’t agree with this system in any way, but it’s what we have.
Given all of that, you should look at the Ducks’ season last year for inspiration. After the first game of the season at BSU, everyone said we had no chance at winning the PAC 10. The fact that the Beavers, with a brand new QB, were able to have a chance late in the 4th quarter against a top-10 team on the road should be a source of optimism. There are no moral victories, so I’m not saying you should be happy with your loss – I’m saying that the Rose Bowl is just as realistic for the Beavers today as it was before the game started yesterday.
And in the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss...the REIGNING...DEFENDING...UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC TEN...the Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 5, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
No arguments here!
Well stated and falls in line with much of what I have been thinking about it all.
-RVM
Will add again
The at UT game could be a good one.
Opening games for both teams:
UO = 72 to 0 and UT 50 to 0. Something will have to give next week!
-RVM
I expect a somewhat sloppy game. I look at the 3 phases of the game and I see the Ducks being better in all 3. The Ducks have a better offense, a better defense, and better special teams. However, as we all know, that matters not once the game starts. Being that both teams have young, unproven QB’s, and Tenn has the equalizer with home field, I expect a close game.
And in the Yell-O corner, with a 2009 conference record of 8 wins, 1 loss...the REIGNING...DEFENDING...UNDISPUTED Champions of the PAC TEN...the Oregon Ducks!
by MarineCorpsDuck on Sep 5, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Even worse that Oregon vs. NMSU
is DEFENDING CHAMPION Alabama starting off against San Jose St.
WTY's ERA+ = 147 : - ) -- Kevin Frandsen > Brandon Wood??????
I know OSU does it too (we did have Eastern Washington originially scheduled didn't we this year?)
But I don’t really understand these type of games. NMSU should be playing San Jose St or Portland State.
I will say I don’t also think that top-ranked teams like Alabama or Oregon should play each other the opening weekend to completely beat each other up before the conference play starts.
But what about AndyPanda’s offhand idea of UO vs. Oklahoma State? I thought the UCLA and Kansas State game was a good match up where both teams learned a lot about what they can do and how they can improve. Or like the OSU vs. TCU game.
Just my opinion I guess.
-RVM
by rvm on Sep 5, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course, the AtQ people are getting all cocky now after this and their blowout win over NMSU. Our game was a lot more exciting than their scrimmage, er, "game", though!
We had a lot to see in our game. We knew going in that this was a game we were going to win. A 49-7 game was in most people’s minds from the start. There were concerns about Darron Thomas, how our kicking game was going to fare, what our defense was going to do, etc.
We know it’s New Mexico but a score of 72-0 wasn’t even in our thought patterns and neither was over 700 yards of offense, even against that team. What’s exciting for us isn’t the victory because that was never really in doubt. The exciting part is that we hung 59 in the first half and got to see Thomas and how he controlled the offense.
After last year’s Boise State game, I think very few Duck fans are looking at this game as a true measuring stick to where we are this year. If anything, we now have some game experience for our young players going against a much tougher opponent next week
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I disagree
Yes, Canfield was a great QB at the end of the season. But like RVM said, he wasn’t all that great early in the year.
You can blame this loss on The Snap, the poor Defense, or Kahut’s Field Goal. But you can’t blame Ryan. I thought he went above and beyond of what was expected of him for his first start against the 6th Ranked team in the nation.
September 4th, 4:45 PM, ESPN
Katz deserves props
I agree that you can’t blame him, given his situation. He did quite well, considering it was his first game starting and against a stellar defense. I really have no complaints with where he is right now :-)
I just think that a returning Canfield would have made the difference in this one with his experience and greater consistency.
Sure
With Canfield returning, but I guess for me and my thinking is that this is too much a “what if” deal. He can’t return and this is no different than replacing out the other QBs like Anderson, Moore, and so on. It has to be done, and even though it wasn’t some 300 yard and 4 TD performance I really liked what we saw out of Katz this early. With the years before and how we had to wait into the season for the QBs to really start to show their stuff it was fun to see possible glimpses so early.
But yes if we brought Sean back from where he was at at the end of the season (well maybe not that bowl game though!) it would have been a different game. But we can also say this about having Kristick back at LB and the speed, sideline-to-sideline coverage, and experience he would have added to the defense against the option.
I don’t know I feel pretty good overall about what they seem to have to work with this season. No looking back! Only settle for improving on the last couple seasons!
-RVM
by rvm on Sep 6, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure the start of the season Canfield
would have made a difference at all, and maybe it would have been worse, because at least Katz has established that he can go deep, something Canfield rarely approached.
Also, it was completely different to debate QBs last season, because we had a choice. Barring injuries, I wonder if we will be anything but Katz’s team for the next three years. I sure didn’t see anything that had me thinking about Cody Vaz.
Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
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First part was mostly what I was thinking about when bringing in Canfield to the discussion. But in a “what if” scenario I can see the point of getting the Sean we saw play in those last few conference games (especially at Oregon) making a difference, but all moot really. Kind-of like saying wouldn’t it be great if we could have got the Matt Moore we saw at the end of the ’06 back for ’07, but at the same time with how college rotations go the “what ifs” can still be interesting.
I totally agree about Katz’s arm deep, and also he seems to be able to touch in with the deep throws too, which I don’t even remember Anderson having with his arm. Going to be interesting to see how Ryan pans out over time.
As for the second part interesting points. I do wonder though with how OSU has established itself as a NW team (along with the UO) that produces NFL level QBs if we don’t have something in reserve or can’t recruit someone in to be a very viable #2. I don’t know anything about Vaz though so totally taking your word on him!
-RVM
by rvm on Sep 6, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no way this was an accident.
Katz, who not only made his first start, but took his first meaningful snap
And Katz pretty much did throw a interception in the 4th (hit a TCU guy right between the numbers.
your opponent has gotten far too deep into your defense far too often.
This is what I noticed. Not many HUGE plays,but they just chipped away 4 yards each play.
And the only thing I have to say about Riley is that I still think we should’ve gone for that 4th and 3.
WTY's ERA+ = 147 : - ) -- Kevin Frandsen > Brandon Wood??????
From what I’ve seen in my many years of following TCU, if you’re going to beat the Frogs you have to have a solid game from your QB. Patterson’s defenses have shut down Adrian Peterson, C.J. Spiller, Garrett Wolfe, Ian Johnson and many other of college football’s finest backs, forcing the opposing QB to win or lose the game single-handedly. Katz played impressively, but not enough to win the game himself, so Oregon State ends up with the loss in this one. It was a fun game to watch though, to be sure. Best of luck the rest of the seasons, Beavs.
Even though it kind-of goes without saying you need a solid QB performance to beat a good team like TCU
This loss is still a lot on the Beaver defense IMHO.
3rd quarter is a perfect example. Figgi4life mentioned that “Katz pretty much did throw a interception in the 4th.” Sure but TCU pretty much marched down the field to go up 14 on that opening drive of the second half. OSU got lucky with a poor play call combined with a lazy pass to stop that drive. As much as Katz got lucky the defender dropped his pass, Roberson got lucky with being basically handed the ball on that INT. It goes both ways.
But after the INT what did our QB and offense do? Went right down the field and tied up the game. What did our defense do to follow up? Let TCU go right back down the field and score the winning TD.
Hard on the QB to get going when you are always playing catch up when your running game has to take a back seat. I do agree it got rough for Ryan in the 4th but still first game ever for the kid and the defense is having issues and the run game is doing nothing. Don’t know he gave it a nice shot overall.
Ok, more a team effort losing this one is a better way of looking at it. Don’t like putting it all back on the QB play.
Again though, if the Beavs defense was faster between the sidelines and made the proper adjustments (which we have been used to over the years) then this game comes down to beating TCU with our offense. Just like Hekker’s terrible punt at the end of the second, sure it is partially on him there BUT if the defense is clicking then the worse that drive ends up with is a FG and maybe even the D stops them w/o a score there.
Anyway, to change topics a bit, I agree with HornedFrog1992’s comments below about the atmosphere of the game and the coaching respect. Was a top notch game with two very good programs going against each other in a tough but respectable way. Good game even though we lost!
-RVM
by rvm on Sep 5, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Class Act
Patterson and Riley are personal friends, so the last few plays were truly classy and out of respect for their friendship. They take vacations together with their wives I have read, so I am not surprised. Very refreshing in our day and age.
Beavs, you should have been ranked higher! I had friends and family texting and calling me stating what a great opening game between top 25 opponents it was. If you were not emotionally attached as a Beaver or Horned Frog supporter, you saw to deserving top 25 teams playing each other. I watched alot of other slop yesterday from traditional powers that would have lost to both programs playing the way they did!
Beat Boise State! BSU fans, you asked for it by rooting against your future brother-in-arms, so beat VA Tech and then Go Beavs! I think you all have a legitimate shot at the Pac-10 title. As usual, that other Oregon team will be the true test.
That snap.....
"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"
nightmares about it?
--Jake | (jake.buildingthedam@gmail.com)
by Jake Bertalotto on Sep 5, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I could barely
fall asleep because of it.
WTY's ERA+ = 147 : - ) -- Kevin Frandsen > Brandon Wood??????
Run defense has not improved at all and despite the two picks the secondary left a lot of open space for TCU receivers to work. Linebackers were slow to the runner all night. Winning the turnover battle kept the game close and that was precarious also. Katz threw a pick that the DB dropped and had a fumble that could have easily been recovered by the D. In this case the stats do not mislead. Being outrushed by 200 yards with double the time of possession spells victory in almost all cases and the game would not have been close if Dalton does not make two poor decisions with the ball. The really hope the defense improves so that the Rodgers brothers have a chance to shine.
Even with my complaining about the defense I actually think they will come around. I also think even though it stings this ended up to be an excellent opening game to see what the team had on both sides of the ball, and will give the coaching staff a lot of good stuff to work with.
-RVM
well, i don’t think it’s a talent issue from the defense. i think it’s a banker-scheme thing. his defense does not work against the spread offense.
i think the defense will be fine against teams that run a more traditional offense. i’m really r eally really worried about @Arizona and @oregon though
I mostly agree, but will say last year the defense actually played pretty well against the spread at Oregon. They seemed to come around well on the whole scheme side of things by then. I thought the problem in that game came down to poor tackling for most of the game they seemed to be in position very well but just missed some key tackles.
-RVM
the turning point in that game was when tim clark broke his leg. up to that point, they had shut the spread down nicely. maybe it’s because they had to commit a safety to help out his backup?
but everything i think OSU did right on D against oregon (Paea and Olander getting upfield early and forcing oregon back and wide, good tackling by the linebackers, defensive ends staying at home, etc.), they failed to do against TCU. it could simply have been a preparation thing, as the coaches may not have thought dalton would run the ball so much.
i’m still worried though
It does seem like Banker cannot find the formula for shutting down the spread, but we do have to remember they are playing against the best spread offenses in the country. I do miss the run stopping D of the past and wonder what it will take to get back to that level. Some of the players have seen the spread three or four times now and keep getting faked out of position. That does have me concerned.

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