Why We Lost, Which Is Also Why We Should Be Excited
by The Orange Joe on Dec 4, 2009 3:54 PM PST
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You know what struck me? (No, it wasn't Blount's fist. ...Sorry.) In the areas where we really lost the game, it was our young guys.
First, though not as important as my second point, the offensive line. They did do some things well; some things extremely well, for one, pass protection for most of the game. BUT... zero push on running plays, and giving up too much pressure in the late 3rd, and the entire 4th. Phillip, a FR, gave up sacks, Johnson, a FR was, (with all due respect, cuz he's a D1 athlete - I'm not), at best, a pushover, andLinnenkohl, a SO, looked confused. The O-line is the reason we settled for 4 fg's. Not play-calling, not Quizz, not Sean, the O-line. Know why? They're young. That's not an excuse; that's a reason.
The other main area we got beat: tackling. Major props to one Mark Banker. He had his guys in position almost every time. His guys just didn't wrap up. Know why? They're young. That's not an excuse; that's a reason. The defining moment of the game was the 4th & 3, when Masoli bounced off of Mitchell. Banker had Mitchell in position, and to his credit, Mitchell was there, lined up perfectly. He had done a lot of things right in the game; for one, a beautiful breakup on a deep ball to Maehl. But on this play, he's in position, he's set, and... Goes for the hit. Instead of the wrap-up tackle. But you know what? I can't blame him for that. He's a freshman. He's going to make mistakes. And that's Masoli, the best open-field QB in the nation, making a play. Yes Mitchell needs to make the tackle. Of course he does. But he's young. I can't hold him to a standard of perfection. He made a couple great plays, he made a costly mistake.
But we all make mistakes. That's what happens when you're young.
So yes we lost. Yes we made several key mistakes. But we just lost to a team that is in my opinion, right there
with Texas & Florida. (NO WAY! WHAT?! THOSE ARE UNDEFEATED! Mmhmm. But the strength of schedule is not even close to comparable.) And we lost at their place, which is one of the hardest atmospheres to win in, and that is not just in my opinion. And we lost by 4. And we were oh-so-close. "Close only counts in..." I know. But still. We weren't supposed to win this game. All credit to the Ducks. This was their year. They won it.
But for us, this was supposed to be a rebuilding year, remember? Yes it's a dark day. But in my opinion, the future has never been brighter. Mike Riley, Danny Langsdorf, and Mark Banker took this young group to the cusp of the Rose Bowl. Remember the hallmark of our program: our guys always improve. I remember watching Yvenson Bernard for the first time, against Boise State. He sucked. Check that, he SUCKED. But by the time he was a senior, you couldn't believe the difference. These guys will be seniors one day. Looking at what they did as freshman, how can you NOT be excited? Our young guys made mistakes, and lost us the game. But they'll learn and improve, and win us some games.
They made mistakes, but they'll learn and improve. That's what happens when you're young.
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Great post. Before the civil war, I was thinking about the hype going into this year about both teams being “1 year away” from making major noise. How great is it that both teams were playing for the rose bowl at the end of the year, THIS YEAR. You have to figure that both teams will be 1-2 in the Pac-10 next year given who is coming back for both teams.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Hey thanks. I’d be shocked if the Ducks
weren’t picked #1, but I’d be equally
shocked if we were picked in the top
3. It’s been yeeeaars since we were
picked higher than 5. I’m guessing it’ll
look something like this, provided
Harbaugh doesn’t go elsewere, (a
possibility I am definitely not ruling out.)
This is how I think THEY’ll pick it, not
my own personal views.
1. UO (Deserved.)
2. SC (deserved, they’re SC.)
3. Furd (Move to 4 if Gerhart leaves.)
4. UA (Returning QB+Coach named Stoops=undeserved hype.)
5. Cal (Once again, guaranteed, they’ll be picked higher than they should be. I never understand why, but EVERY YEAR… Apologies to NorCalNick.)
6. OSU (Begrudgingly, the powers that be acknowledge that we may, MAY, be deserving of a move up… to #6. But under protest.)
7. Udub (Not buying their stock, personally. Not yet.)
8. UCLA (To be honest, their D is good. …but you have to score points.)
9. ASU (Vontaze Burfict is the most classless player I’ve ever seen. All I have to say about ASU.)
100. Wazzu (I genuinely feel bad for them. I can’t imagine what they’re going through.)
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by The Orange Joe on Dec 4, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
My Picks
1. Oregon
2. USC
3. Arizona
4. Stanford
5. Oregon State
6. California
7. Washington
8. UCLA
9. Arizona State
10. Washington State
December 3rd. Autzen Stadium. Pac-10 Championship Game.
Your opinion?
Or how you think they’ll pick it?
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by The Orange Joe on Dec 4, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry for not making that clear
How they will pick it.
December 3rd. Autzen Stadium. Pac-10 Championship Game.
Phew.
I was gonna say, you doubting us bro? Ha
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by The Orange Joe on Dec 4, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
I think you’re right on how it will be picked but that will be a shame. Oregon State should be in the top 3 with the people coming back and how they’ve played this year, things will only get better. I know USC is USC but they have a lot of issues to resolve that experience isn’t going to solve.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
I believe it'll be SC, UO, OSU in the top 3
not necessarily in that order.
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
Super Rodgers Bros.
Gerhart is a senior so he's done right?
So Stanford moves down I think and people will actually give OSU some love (even with the QB question) and have them higher at least above Cal and Stanford. IMO, but you never know how people will think about it all after this season all pans out.
-RVM
by rvm on Dec 4, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
I thought
Gerhart ran all over us as a sophomore
last year. (Isn’t it sad how you remember
him by when he ran all over you?)
Dominic's Fridge is where great fudge bars go to die.
by The Orange Joe on Dec 4, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Nice job with the post
I’ve shared this opinion all season. I am anxious to see this team’s game mature over the next couple of seasons.
Texan's perspective
Wow, what a Civil War. I’m a big fan of the Beavs living in Austin, TX (pops went to OSU, he had me loving the Beavs since I was a tiny tot).
It was a hell of a game but sure did leave me with a pit in my gut come the end. Your right, it all came down to tackling. The biggest play of the game was the 3rd and 15 where La. James bust loose cuz of poor tackling. If they keep him under ten yards or less, Oregon either attempts a long field goal or pooch punts. That was a killer.
At halftime I talked to my dad and we agreed that OSU was fortunate to be ahead. They were getting outplayed but were winning the turnover battle (2-0). I felt that Oregon’s offense couldn’t be stopped with good playcalling (only play Beavs shutdown was the occasional zone-read where Masoli handed off, Olander stuffing).
That fake hand off, wide option with the slot receiver taking the pitch was open ALL NIGHT. You’d see one Beaver defender having to choose Masoli, he’d pitch and it was 10-20 yards a pop. MAD CHUNKS of yards all night.
Oregon was the better team but the Beavers hung. I’m proud of how they played and I can’t say enough good things about Canfield. Great poise, good arm, and accurate as hell. Pro prospect? Looked like it to me. I expected more from Halahuni. Rodgers brothers were electric as always, needed one more play maker in the red zone (Bishop, ’Huni, or Adeniji). Offensive line protected well early, run blocking was poor, and got fatigued late. Still, vast improvement from early on when UNLV and Cincy were getting steady heat.
Hope the Ducks whip Ohio St. in the Rose Bowl. Hoping the Beavs get a formidable foe (plz not Utah or BYU). And now I’ll sit back and enjoy my alma-mater, those Longhorns take care of the Huskers and plant Tebow on his ace in the BCS title.
Go Beavs and Hook’em!
I don’t mean to blow up the post but Grant Johnson is a RS SOPH, Linnekohl is a Junior and started all of last year and Lance Mitchell is a RS SOPH. They have also played all season long which means experience for these guys should not be an issue. Phillip is a true freshman and will be a damn good tackle for many years. The reason why UO won is because they have better players that make plays when it counts. I’m not saying we don’t have good players, I am saying when all the chips are down and its crunch time in a big game the beavers have stumbled….UO the last two years, USC this year, Stanford last year, Cincinatti.
I am a huge beaver fan and think Riley and his staff are second to none. But until the OSU can break through and win really important games all you will continue to see on these posts will be “we lost but the beavs played a great game anyway” and on to another 4th,5th or 6th place bowl game.
I think you will see more than this on this blog
But until the OSU can break through and win really important games all you will continue to see on these posts will be "we lost but the beavs played a great game anyway" and on to another 4th,5th or 6th place bowl game.
I think many of the posts we have done have been fairly critical of needing to step up to the next level. I also don’t see anything wrong with saying that they played a great game, they did for the most part, just like Oregon did for the most part and Oregon played that bit much better to get the W. And not sure I agree about this game as a total stumble when the chips were down, last year very much so, but not really this year (not sure about this year’s USC game as a stumble either, I think that a game like Penn State falls into this category). It was too close and too many variables happened to say it was a stumble during crunch time, games like this or let’s say that LSU one a few years back, are so close and well fought by the Beavs that littler things here and there lose it for us.
Not going to win all the time and can’t beat ourselves up over that.
-RVM
Thanks for the fact check. I’m making the corrections
now. More to the point, this is the 1st season Johnson,
Mitchell & others saw significant playing time.
They have also played all season long
which means experience for these guys
should not be an issue.
Go tell that to Matt Barkley. Or Andrew Luck.
But until the OSU can break through and win really important games all you will continue to see on these posts will be "we lost but the beavs played a great game anyway"…
#1. “These posts…” Did you read AndyPanda’s?
We write as a team. One of us makes a point, the
other counterbalances that point. I didn’t say all
that to negate what he said; I agree with him.
What he said was true; imo so is this.
#2. “We lost but the beavs played a great game…”
Not what this post was about. Yes the loss sucked.
Yes we could have won. You’re missing my point:
we lost because young players made mistakes.
That’s what young players do. On every team.
Why is USC down this year? They’re young!
It happens to their 5*s; how can you blame our
2 & 3*’s for it? And we got closer to the Rose Bowl
than they did!
But until the OSU can break through and win really important games…
You know WHY we were even playing in
really important games? Cuz we won other
games! Who would you rather be? Cal? Arizona?
Stanford? USC? The teams that lost earlier
games, ensuring they wouldn’t be in this
big of a game?
…and on to another 4th,5th or 6th place bowl game.
The Sun is the Pac’s 3rd-place bowl. The
only reason we’ve played in lower than that
in 4 years is because of no-repeat clauses.
Didn’t mean to blow up your comment, but… Sorry.
Really not trying to be a jerk, but I just don’t
agree with anything you said. Besides Riley
being second to none.
Dominic's Fridge is where great fudge bars go to die.
by The Orange Joe on Dec 4, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
In my opinion playing 11 football games in a BCS conference IS siginifcant playing time. And your example of Andrew Luck is the perfect example. As the season went on he rose to becoming one of the top two or three pocket passing qb’s in the conference, when in the first 3 or 4 games he was just a very good prospect. Jay Bilas has said many times, by the end of a basketball season a freshman is not a freshman anymore because of the experiences they have gained as the season has progressed. I know its a different sport but my opinion is that this also applies to football.
Yes we are young at some positions which excites me for the future. But do you honestly think Riley uses the “we are young” excuse and doesn’t think every one of those guys should be executing on every play.
Also my opinion is that OSU had six really important games this year out of the twelve.
(I know all games are important, I thought these had a little bit more urgency to them)
Cincinnati…First big home game against a very good opponent
Arizona…..Trying to rebound from the previous loss and first conference game
At Arizona State…..A win was crucial in that game after two straight losses
At USC…..Obvious why its big
At Cal….Tough team on the road and knowing at the time you had a good chance of starting a good streak with Washington schools coming up next
At UO….Obvious
OSU went 2-4 in those games, I said they stumbled earlier and that is what they did. They did not fall flat on there faces like Penn St or UO last year. They were in it but mistakes and untimely penalties tripped them up in the end. Plenty of these mistakes and penalties were made by veteran players, for example Kristicks roughing the passer penalty in the USC game.
Do I have an answer to this no, I wish I did.
I did not mean to affend The Orange Joe or anybody else with my “these posts” comment. I enjoy Building the dam and that statement was not meant to belittle anyone, I apologize.
The Orange Joe, you are right in your response to my 4th, 5th or 6th place bowl comment. I guess I think 4th, 5th or 6th or even 3rd is not good enough for the last two seasons that OSU has played.
I did not mean to affend The Orange Joe or anybody else with my "these posts" comment. I enjoy Building the dam and that statement was not meant to belittle anyone, I apologize.
Bah! No “offense”! Stating your opinion and I’m disagreeing, kind-of how it works, not a big deal on my end. Your overall posting was actually a good counter posting I thought, even if I disagreed with some of it. I think if anything was even close to putting me off was when it seemed like you were getting down on some of us for finding good things in the game this Thursday, and I just think the Beavs need some big time props for they played a hell of a game in my opinion. Those players (many just kids) just put it on the line on a cold night on the road against a very good team, and I thought they showed they very much belonged in a Pac-10 championship game. Something I think we need to give them credit for and the coaching staff. This is all so much better than being a State of Washington football fan right now you know!
“Stumble” = I still don’t know if I totally agree with the word, but hey we are getting into minor semantics now I guess. I agree with your overall thinking, really I do! I think the team needs to step it up to get us out of this mystery of what this program is all about, which I believe can be great. But I also agree with Orange Joe and that:
But the same can be said for every single team with losses on their record. You could say Oregon failed to win 2 big games, or they’d be in the National Championship.
I mean you can say that about Stanford too. They play a better half against OSU and make up some mistakes in the Cal game and then the CW game Thursday is for the Holiday Bowl and not the Rose. I think for me personally it is just that saying the team is “stumbling” when the “all the chips on the table” seemed to be saying they are not giving it their all and that wasn’t the case I think in ANY game this year, which is the first season in a long time you know that we haven’t had a game that we couldn’t have won. BUT if you mean “stumbling” as they get into the games and don’t execute well enough to win, then of course I totally agree, but again every team in the NCAA, except for one, at the end of the season can say this.
I will add that there is a bit of luck involved in all this too. Skill, performance, and heart are all the most important but luck of a bounce or ref call can make a difference too. Think about the CW game and what if Masoli is just looking a bit more over the defensive scheme and does not catch that snap from center on that last possession and the Beavs recover or even if it sticks the Ducks in a really long down? Well it took skill for him to catch that ball and get the throw out of there quickly, but it also was lucky.
Okay, what the heck is my main point? I guess I just felt I agreed with you basic criticisms but also felt you were downplaying how well this team played this season and I’m the type who likes to look at both.
Again, keep it coming and don’t apologize! I’m also enjoying the exchange between you and Orange Joe! And if we’re offended we’ll really let you know! :)
-RVM
And your example of Andrew Luck is the perfect example. As the season went on he rose to becoming one of the top two or three pocket passing qb’s in the conference, when in the first 3 or 4 games he was just a very good prospect.
He also made several key mistakes that cost
them a shot at the Rose & Holiday Bowls. But
they’re not complaining. Because you can’t expect
mistake-free play from young guys all year long.
They’ll help you; they’ll also hurt you. That’s what
young guys do. But you know why they’re excited?
Cuz he’ll get better. And if he improves on what
he did in his first year, their future looks goooood.
Same with us.
But do you honestly think Riley uses the "we are young" excuse and doesn’t think every one of those guys should be executing on every play.
No I don’t. And I’m not using that excuse
either. That’s the whole point of the article.
You make mistakes when you’re young.
That’s not an excuse, that’s the reason.
I’m not saying it’s all fine and dandy that
Mitchell gets run over, that IS a mistake.
But young guys make mistakes. Young
guys everywhere. Not just here. The essence
of my article is that our young guys got us
to the cusp of the Rose Bowl. The young
guys at Stanford, USC, & Cal, did not.
Cincinnati…First big home game against a very good opponent
Arizona…..Trying to rebound from the previous loss and first conference game
At Arizona State…..A win was crucial in that game after two straight losses
At USC…..Obvious why its big
At Cal….Tough team on the road and knowing at the time you had a good chance of starting a good streak with Washington schools coming up next
At UO….Obvious
#1. You left out Stanford. A team that beat Oregon and USC.
#2. We lost to…
Cincy: BCS Bowl team
Arizona: This is the one I agree we should have won.
USC: Besides Stanford, nobody’s beaten them at the Coliseum in years.
UO: By 4, at their house, to a BCS team that is imo, top 3
Now yes those are big games, and yes we lost them. Yes winning those games would have put us in a higher tier. But the same can be said for every single team with losses on their record. You could say Oregon failed to win 2 big games, or they’d be in the National Championship.
I did not mean to affend The Orange Joe or anybody else with my "these posts" comment.
I know you didn’t mean to offend; I wasn’t
being defensive either. Just pointing out what I
think you missed. No offense taken, you have
your opinion and are completely free to express it.
What it comes down to is this. With all due
respect, would you really be saying this if
we had made 1 or 2 more plays to beat Oregon
and go to the Rose Bowl? Respectfully, no
you wouldn’t. Meaning our young guys were
1 or 2 plays from your entire argument being
invalid. That’s what I’m saying. We’re close.
We’re very close. A lot closer than you’re giving
them credit for. Again, this was SUPPOSED to
be a rebuilding year. We lost SEVEN starters
on D, and puh-lenty on O. Heck of a rebuilding year.
Looks like we’ve got a preeeetty good foundation
to build on. That’s what I’m saying.
Dominic's Fridge is where great fudge bars go to die.
Sorry Guys
But you don’t return the most important piece of the pie…a quarterback. This article here says the O-line has been suspect because of youth. You want to know what doesn’t gel well with a suspect O-line? A new quarterback. You know what doesn’t help make an offensive line better, a quarterback who doesn’t know what he’s doing. However, this could easily change because of Riley’s ability to make players better. As a Duck fan, I don’t see this happening because eventually not bringing in good recruits year after year will eventually catch up to you as the other teams in the conference (except WSU) continue to bring in better recruits.
Toby Gerhart is a junior but probably will not be back because he is a stud runningback and a stud baseball player and I don’t think he can pass up those dollars.
My prediction for conference order:
1) Oregon, best team this year. Should contend for national title next year.
2) Arizona, conference losses were close.
3) USC, under the assumption that Carroll returns and that the hammer doesn’t finally fall on the Reggie Bush situation.
4) California, Tedford’s gotta get something together without collapsing sometime, otherwise 2010 might be his last year at Cal.
5) Stanford, under the assumption Gerhart leaves, otherwise they move up.
6) Arizona St., there will be some thugs DE will find to help get them to a bowl.
7) Oregon St., Riley may be a darkhorse for ND job and they lose 2 senior QBs (note: I said “may be” when it comes to being a darkhorse candidate, I did not say it would happen nor do I think it will, he’s just exactly what ND says the “ideal” candidate should be so his name may come up).
8) UCLA, no offense means not much chance in this league.
9) Washington, under the assumption that Locker leaves (right now he’s projected as the #1 QB and he’s also a baseball stud).
10) Washington St., back-to-back 0 conference win seasons will be likely
#4-#8 could easily swap around in any order as all 5 teams will be very close to each other next year. I think #1-#3 are pretty solid and #9 and #10 will probably lock up those bottom two spots.
Robbie G. "The Beavers Suck"
We might get Moevao back
And even if we don’t, I think Katz will do a pretty good job.
The only team I see finishing ahead of us in your predictions is Stanford. We are better than USC, California, and Arizona State.
Vegas Baby!
Toby Gerhart is a junior but probably will not be back because he is a stud runningback and a stud baseball player and I don’t think he can pass up those dollars.
Everything I’ve seen listed has Toby as a senior, where do you get he’s a junior?
Are these your picks or what you think the analysts will be picking going into next season? Remember that trying to figure out what the analysts was the initial discussion, not our personal team centric picks.
Cal? I doubt that people will actually place Cal that much above OSU again even with our QB situation. I think the above guesses are more realistic.
OSU? I think the QB deal is a good question, but not sure people will place them down that far after the last two years. Especially below ASU? Doubt that. DE has not proven much and MR has proven a lot over the last few years.
O-Line was young this year and is now experienced so I doubt your Duck fan centric analysis there will hold much with other predictions. Except for the end of the game the O-Line actually played very well in the CW by the way, I’m thinking it will only get better. You know what that means it means that the complete opposite should come about from your evaluation. My guess is that the line will help out the inexperienced QB feel better in the pocket and will help them grow. What “article” are you referring to? The original post? What I read from that is that again was the issue this year and what struggled on offense for us in the CW a such they had some issues that lead to the offense not scoring as much as they should have. I think that the original posting again shows that they will be better next year. Again, even a young offensive line that allows us to score 33 points against the Pac-10 champion, and leads the team to a second place finish, is one not to balk at going into the next year.
UO? Long way to go with all that NC talk but yes they should be a lead contender pick for the conference.
UA? They could actually go in a bunch of different directions next year but from their performance this year they deserve to get some respect.
SC? They’ll be in the mix.
Conclusion, OSU as 7th? Sorry that’s a bit ridiculous and I doubt that any serious analyst around the country will go that low with a team that constantly has proven itself as a conference contender. If it happens will I guess Riley will have to prove them wrong again.
-RVM
by rvm on Dec 6, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Gerhart is a senior
He’s always been a Senior this year. Why do you think he’s a JR?
by The VD Special on Dec 6, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
No where has Locker been projected as the #1 QB. Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, and Jimmy Clausen are all projected higher. Locker is 4th at best.
by The VD Special on Dec 6, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
he's projected as the #1 QB all over the place
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/nflmockdraft.html
I could find more, too.
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
Super Rodgers Bros.
#52
OK well your first link is ridiculous
Tim Tebow selected at QB before Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy? Mel Kiper, often considered the leader in NFL draft analyst, has his doubts that Tebow will be even selected as a QB period.
by The VD Special on Dec 6, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Let's see after the combine, and how they all test out
For I would not be shocked to see Canfield go before Locker.
How’s that for stirring the pot? :)
-RVM
by rvm on Dec 6, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Canfield's stock
Jumped a lot on Thursday. If he has a good game against BYU and a good combine, he could go pretty high.
Vegas Baby!
Re Robbie's Standings:
Zona also won some close ones. They could’ve
easily dropped their games vs us, USC, and
especially ASU. Just saying, the “close losses”
argument goes both ways. We had 3 conference
losses, all extremely close. Could’ve been
undefeated, by that logic. Besides, their schedule
is tougher next year. Not saying they’ll suck, just that
a lot of things came together favorably this season,
i.e., playing teams at the right time.
Cal=no. They lose Best. And besides that they’re
Cal. Nuff said.
Furd loses Gerhart, and maybe Harbaugh.
ASU? Ummm… You lost me there.
As for us, we also replaced 7 starters on D the
last 2 years in a row. Remember when that
was supposed to be a deal-breaker? Plus we
get you & USC at home next year. All said,
we’ll see. But picking us at #7 is just plain
past getting old. You’ve all done it for the last
4 years.
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by The Orange Joe on Dec 14, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
National Championship
If either the Beavers or the Ducks go undefeated next year, they will be in the national championship picture. The Ducks have a pretty soft non-conference schedule in 2010, so they could well sweep those games. @ Tennessee is probably their toughest non-conference game. Of course, @ Boise State will be the Beavers toughest non-conference game next year. To take the Beaver program to the “next level”, they need to win the game in Boise.
If they each come through the non-conference schedule undefeated, they will both be ranked.
Another scheduling note for 2010. The Beavers have USC, Cal and the Ducks at home. A total of 7 home games. This might be a bit of an advantage for the Beavers.
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