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Where We Go From Here

"Drat!"

Now that we have all had our chance to share Benny's "Drat!" moment, the question is where do we go from here?

In the short term, we go to the TV to see whether we get lucky enough to go to San Diego for the holidays, and the Holiday Bowl, or back to Las Vegas, and Sam Boyd stadium, site of the Beavers' 23-21 win over UNLV on a windy night, for the Body Show Bowl, aka, the Maaco Las Vegas Bowl. More on the outcome of this on BTD later, after we see what Saturday's results, and Athletic Director Bob DeCarolis' cell-phone melting sales job, bring.

An important question for OSU fans for sure.

But on the subject of getting another shot at the Rose Bowl in the Civil War, and the third time being the charm, where we must go is back to work on line play.

With no intent to throw any of the Beavers' offensive or defensive linemen under the bus (they wouldn't fit under there any way), the fact remains that is where Oregon St. must make some more headway.

Star-divide

Losing conference games by five, six, and four points is why the Beavers are an 8-4 team, and a 6-3 team in conference, and solidly in the 11-35 portion of the college football world, and not in the 1-10 portion. Both the offensive and defensive lines share in the challenge.

I say challenge, not problem, because when you replace a bunch of NFL bound players, and still play for the Rose Bowl, you are doing a lot right, or the Beavers would be back with the Sun Devils and Huskies today.

Whether it's better footwork from Michael Philipp, strength training for Grant Johnson, or pass protection improvement by Mike Remmers (just some examples, not the only whole story), the Beavers have to get better at spacing their blocks.

Clearly having to settle for too many Justin Kahut field goals is a problem, but too often the problem with red zone and third and fourth down conversions started with poor production on first down. Jacquizz Rodgers doesn't need a lot of daylight, but he needs some room, and too often opponent defenses were able to jam up all the running lanes forcing the Beavers into long yardage situations.

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Note that even though no Duck defenders have a clear shot at 'Quizz, there is no lane to cut into.

Just as serious, the defensive line had trouble getting up field, and as a result couldn't make stops when necessary. The Beavers were overall solid against the run, but when it mattered most, the Ducks ran for 288 yards, and they did it because they frequently carried the battle to the Beavs, rather that the other way around.

When Morgan Flint connected on a field goal in the fourth quarter, which took Kahut out of the equation, it was just the fourth time the defense forced a field goal in such a situation, against over 20 touchdowns. If settling for field goals was a problem for Oregon State, it certainly wasn't for the Beavers' opponents. Turn that one stat around, and OSU is a BCS team.

And even when the Beavers didn't give up a score, needing one more stop, they couldn't get it. Both USC and Oregon needed a first down to run out the clock, and they got it. Big games are usually won by your best players, and to make a difference, they have to be on the field. Sean Canfield, the best passing quarterback in the Pac-10, and the Rodgers brothers, the most dangerous and productive duo in college football, were left standing on the sideline.

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Paea was a monster last night

he was the only D Lineman who really got penetration

"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"

Super Rodgers Bros.

by cloudydays on Dec 4, 2009 12:29 PM PST reply actions  

Paea usually is,

but Brennan Olander actually had more tackles, and more tackles for a loss last night. (Stats)

But sometimes when the stats are accumulated is more important than that they are.

Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Dec 4, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions  

"Turn that one stat around, and OSU is a BCS team."

Is a silly thing to say. Give Oregon a stronger defensive line, and they’re playing for the national title.

….

by Yarmarkt on Dec 4, 2009 2:11 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t think it’s silly at all. It proves just how close Oregon State really was. In the games they lost, they were held to field goals instead of touchdowns in key situations. The Civil War was no exception. Even if OSU capitalized on just 1 of those opportunities to turn a field goal into a touchdown, we might have had a different outcome

--Dominic, Addicted to Quack

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Dec 4, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

it happened in every single one of OSU’s losses this year.

"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"

Super Rodgers Bros.

by cloudydays on Dec 4, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow.

Heck of a game. HECK of a game.
In the end, the better team won.
But gaw, it was close. Both rvm
& AndyPanda nailed the analysis,
imo.

Dominic's Fridge is where great fudge bars go to die.

by The Orange Joe on Dec 4, 2009 2:47 PM PST reply actions  

thanks!

But I will say that I’m not totally sure about: “In the end, the better team won.” I think maybe UO was slightly a better team but I have to say OSU is pretty darn close if not almost even (just hard to compare the teams in this game with the different approaches each team has on both sides of the ball). I think the crowd noise helped a lot in determining the end outcome with the false starts and missed blocks on the blitzes.

To be silly myself for a moment I think if that game is played 10 times it goes down to a 50/50 type of split of who wins this year, or that whole neutral field cliché and I think on a neutral field this match-up is a toss up this year.

Both teams are VERY good and also have some issues, very evenly matched in my opinion. Maybe the best match up, or at least one of the best match ups, in recent CW history.

-RVM

by rvm on Dec 4, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh and yes it was a HECK of a game!

-RVM

by rvm on Dec 4, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: the better team,

Like I said, gaw it was close. In all
honesty, I totally agree that we’d
split if we played 10 times. But we
didn’t. They won, meaning they
were the better team that night.
But the two teams couldn’t’ve been
more closely matched. Just put up
my 1st fanpost, btw. …Please don’t
block my user profile for it though;
I had ta say it somewhere. ;)

Dominic's Fridge is where great fudge bars go to die.

by The Orange Joe on Dec 4, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

blocking you

Is up to the Jake man! I actually would be more worried about him pushing you to the front page, nice post.

They won, meaning they
were the better team that night.

Okay, yes totally agree with this, guess I was thinking about it differently when I first read it, more of the overall idea of the teams and how they seem to match up. But yes the winner of the game comes out just that the winner, so no arguments there.

-RVM

by rvm on Dec 4, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Bowl victory string

Well, the silver lining is that the Beavers will have an easier time extending their bowl winning streak in Las Vegas. :-)

The Civil War game will help both teams in recruiting. What a game. I believe there were five lead changes. The Beavers had a nine point lead in the third quarter.

I live in the state of Washington. The sports radio shows are all envious of the quality of the Civil War game last night. They are raving about the quality of the play.

by leon0112 on Dec 4, 2009 3:16 PM PST reply actions  

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, especially since I think the Beavs are the most deserving 6-3 Pac-10 team for the Holiday Bowl, but apparently the USC/Arizona winner will get it:

If the Oregon beats Oregon State tonight and Cal beats Washington on Saturday, the Bears will finish in four-way tie for second place along with Stanford, Oregon State and the winner of Saturday’s Arizona-USC game. The source said in that scenario, the Holiday Bowl will take the Arizona-USC winner.

The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS

by norcalnick on Dec 4, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

Getting better

I noticed in the first few games, our offense was too one-dementional. It was all Rodgers brothers. The defenses only had to key on them and stopped us or slowed us enough. In the mid to later games when we were rolling, the ball was spread around much more evenly to other players ( Adeneji,Halahuni, etc. ). In the CW game, I kept wondering why we were narrowing the plays back to almost all Rodgers brothers again. I think we could have scored more using other players. Everyone expects the ball to go to one of the Rodgers, so why not use them as decoys occasionally, and give the ball to some of the other talent. This IS a team after all. I love what coach Riley has done in recent years and would not want anyone else. I also think Canfield was our best QB and did an outstanding job. I believe he should’ve been a frontrunner in the heisman race with his consistency and stats.

by NativeWebfoot on Dec 4, 2009 6:26 PM PST reply actions  

The offense was absolutely rolling last night

the only reason it bogged down in the 2nd half was because they were able to get pressure on Canfield.

"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"

Super Rodgers Bros.

by cloudydays on Dec 4, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

the only reason it bogged down in the 2nd half was because they were able to get pressure on Canfield.

This is very true. We had some very key hurries and sacks going into the 4th quarter. In some regards, it almost looked like the Beaver o-line was gassed because we were bringing lots of pressure around the edges. Nothing fancy, just straight speed. We also were using a lot more blitzes in the second half.

--Dominic, Addicted to Quack

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Dec 4, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

To his credit, Allioti was sending some
crazy blitzes in the second half. Our left
side, (FR Phillipp, FR Johnson, SO Linnenkohl)
were flat out confused by the stunts.
…But mostly Kenny Rowe was just running
right around Michael Phillipp every play.

Dominic's Fridge is where great fudge bars go to die.

by The Orange Joe on Dec 4, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

also on a couple of the sacks (there was one on Phillipp specifically)

where the crowd noise played a factor and Phillipp (the LT) got off the ball way slower than the defensive end. He had no chance to catch up to the undersized, but really quick defensive end on that side. Phillipp has pretty quick feet for a guy his size, part of the reason I’m really excited about his future, but the jump the defender had on him was just too much to overcome.

"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"

Super Rodgers Bros.

by cloudydays on Dec 5, 2009 1:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Where We Go From Here:

Smashing BYUtah in Vegas.
Seriously, going to that godforsaken
dust bowl that Sam Boyd was unfortunate
enough to be named for? Grooooan….

Dear Holiday Reps: Please.

Dominic's Fridge is where great fudge bars go to die.

by The Orange Joe on Dec 4, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

I've got to say that

if one sort of combines The Orange Joe’s fan post and AndyPanda’s piece, we get a pretty good picture of this team. For this young team to be 1 win from the Grand Daddy is a great indication of where the Beav’s are going, both this team and the program. GO BEAV’S!!

by RayBeavFan on Dec 4, 2009 8:06 PM PST reply actions  

Now it's imperative

That OSU commits to holding on to Bobby D. and Mike Riley’s staff.

by RayBeavFan on Dec 4, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Riley won’t go anywhere, but I have to
say, Langsdorf might start getting offers,
and good ones, if we keep performing
like we did this season. Banker is the
one I’m most concerned about. He really
did a tremendous job last night, btw.

Do you really think losing Bobby D would
hurt us that bad? I’m really not sure. I
really appreciate what he’s done, but
I’m not solidly convinced he’s that great
of a fit for us now.

Dominic's Fridge is where great fudge bars go to die.

by The Orange Joe on Dec 4, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

He seems to be the one

who can get the Cincy and Penn State caliber games scheduled

by RayBeavFan on Dec 4, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

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