Arizona Scratches Out OT Win As Oregon St. Mismanages Another End Of Game
Final Score: Arizona 81 Oregon St. 73 (1 OT)
It looked and felt like Oregon St. was going to overcome Arizona after Ahmad Starks made back to back baskets to wipe out a 5 point Wildcat lead late in the game, which were wrapped around his stopping a 4 on 1 Arizona break, and then made the baskets that opened a one, and then a two point lead, with 32 seconds left.
Kyle Fogg's layin tied the game again at 72-72 with 12 seconds left, but the Beavers had the ball and 2 timeouts, needing only a single point to put the game away. However, yet another episode of end of game mismanagement, something that happened time and again in Oregon St.'s 4 overtime 103-101 loss to Stanford last Saturday, occurred.
For whatever reason, Oregon St. coach Craig Robinson left his multiple remaining time outs on the board, and the Beavers, instead of attempting to get a higher percentage 2 point shot, or draw a foul, settled for a 3 pointer. And it came too late to get a rebound or putback.
Starks, who had made Oregon St.'s last 10 points, but had hit only one shot from the field all night before his one-man rally, hoisted a three pointer that rattled out, and the Beavers were facing overtime once again.
This time, it didn't take long at all for Oregon St. to squander the opportunity to get a quality win, as missed shots and turnovers essentially ended the contest before a bench clearing brawl marred what had been a competitive contest in Tucson.
Back to back baskets by Nick Johnson and Fogg had opened a 6 point, 79-73 Arizona lead with 1:15 left, before Fogg decided to trash talk and shove Oregon St.'s Jared Cunningham, who had drawn a foul on the basket.
It triggered a brawl that took several minutes to stop, and then partially sort out by the officials.
A couple of Arizona free throws and several more Oregon St. misses later, the ‘Cats had scratched out the 81-73 win over the Beavers in front of a crowd of over 14,000 at the McKale Center.
Both Fogg and Cunningham picked up technical fouls in the bumping exchange that followed, disqualifying both with 5 total fouls, and Oregon St.'s Joe Burton, who came off the bench to try to help Angus Brandt separate the combatants, was ejected, for coming off the bench. Arizona's Kyryl Natyazhko also was ejected, for coming off the bench.Surprisingly, the Cats' Soloman Hill escaped the mele without sanction, despite the shove that escalated the incident from a confrontation between Fogg and Cunningham into a free for all, and also throwing a punch. Whether subsequent review of video will result in additional penalties remains to be seen.
The game started out with another slow Oregon St. start, as the Beavers fell behind 5-0. An Eric Moreland blocked shot that led to a Cunningham dunk seemed to get the Beavers started, but Fogg fired in a pair of 3 pointers, and the ‘Cats opened the lead to 14-7.
Arizona's outside shooting cooled off though, and an 11-3 Oregon St. run turned the game around, opening a 28-23 lead for the Beavers. Johnson made one of his 3 3 pointers to make it a 28-26 game at halftime.
It's not unusual for 3 point shooting to be the story of the game, nor is it uncommon for foul trouble to be a central factor in the contest, but it is fairly unusual for both to happen. It did in this contest, though.
Oregon St.'s Angus Brandt picked up his third personal foul early in the second half, and less than 5 minutes into the period, Moreland, Kevin McShane, and Roberto Nelson all had their third fouls as well. Hill and Fogg reached the same point shortly thereafter, and Hill picked up his 4th. foul before the midway mark in the second half, yet did not foul out, despite playing 38 minutes, more than anyone except Cunningham.
Cunningham wrapped a pair of 3 pointers around one by Fogg, but the Beavers never opened more than a 5 point lead, which came on a Devon Collier free throw 7 minutes into the second half.
Brendon Lavender got red hot from outside, hitting 4 three pointers, and Johnson got in on the outside shooting show as well, eclipsing the 4 of 6 from behind the arc Cunningham had connected on earlier.
Both Brandt and Nelson picked up their 4th fouls just before a pair of Fogg free throws opened a 62-56 Arizona lead with 5:40 left. It was the largest lead of the game, other than the anticlimactic, post brawl 8 point margin at the end of overtime.
Ahmad Starks scored Oregon St.'s last 10 points in regulation to put the
Beavers in position to win the game, but missed a 3 pointer, and the game
went into overtime. (AP Photo by Wily Low)
The last of Lavender's 5 three pointers made it 67-62 ‘Cats with 3:32 left, setting the stage for Starks' late game heroics, which set the stage for what could have been the Beavers' second win in Tucson in 3 years, after a 16 year losing streak, had sound strategy been employed at the end of regulation.
Fogg finished with a game high 23 points, which just edged Cunningham's 22.
Johnson shot 50% from the field, and 75% from 3 point range, and finished with 19 points, and Lavender hit 5 of 6 from behind the arc, winding up with 18 points.
Starks' 10 point burst gave him 14 for the game, and Collier connected on 4 of 6 shots, and finished with 11 points. Moreland had another solid overall game, with a game high 10 rebounds, 6 points, 3 assists, 2 steals, and 2 blocked shots.
Oregon St. shot 35% from three point range, but they couldn't have been much different after the half than before. The Beavers made only 2 of 10 outside shots before the break, but hit 5 of 7, 71%, in the second half. The Beavers were also under 40% overall for the game, but heated up from 31% in the first half with 64% shooting in the second half.
The terrible start would prove to be just too much to overcome, even though Arizona had a similar cold start, shooting only 32% despite shooting 3 pointers better than they shot overall. The ‘Cats killed it from outside in the second half, hitting 7 of 9, 78%.
Oregon St.'s defense continued to struggle at times, often double teaming the ball, which left open Arizona shooters for often unchallenged three pointers. And despite having a substantial size advantage inside, the Beavers had trouble exploiting the advantage, and only had a 4 point advantage in the paint.
Both defensive and offensive strategy and execution could have been better.
Oregon St. did have a 15-3 edge in points off turnovers, significant given they only had a +2 advantage in turnovers.
Arizona improved to 12-5 overall, and 3-1 in the conference, with the win. The ‘Cats face Oregon (12-5, 3-2) on Saturday.
Oregon St. has lost 4 of their last 5 games, despite being within a basket of the lead at worst late in each loss., and is now 11-6 for the season, and 1-4 in the Pac-12. The Beavers visit Arizona St. (5-11, 1-3) Saturday evening, for a 6 PM MST (5 PM PST) game in Tempe, which will also be televised by ROOT Sports Northwest, as this evening's game was.
The Ducks defeated the Sun Devils 67-58 tonight.
Andy_Wooldridge@yahoo.com
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Damn
I know that’s worthless to say, but…
Damn.
The picture at the top
Describes that situation pretty well. Arizona players go crazy while the Beavers stand around.
I miss baseball.
by Figgi4life on Jan 13, 2012 12:27 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm beginning to think that CR doesn't use those timeouts because...
he really doesn’t know what to say to his team.
This is his “no excuses” season. Talented team. Weak conference. The Beavs should be challenging for first place, but they have settled into their usual lower tier. They can’t control games, they let leads and momentum slip away, and they look clueless in the final minutes. Robinson is supposed to be calling the shots, but he seems to lack leadership when his team needs it the most.
The guy runs great pre-dawn practices during the rest of the week, though.
In regards to the leadership...
and they look clueless in the final minutes
Especially clueless on offense. It changes so much at the end of close games. I don’t know if it’s strategy or trepidation, but they get really simple. The movement stops, the passing stops, and they wind up relying on one guy to create something. I guess that’s not necessarily a bad thing, but then it looks like they have trouble deciding between whether that guy should be Cunningham or Starks. Cunningham would seem to be the de facto choice as the team’s scorer, but he doesn’t always demand the ball. Starks definitely wants to be the guy, but his game is at the perimeter where, like Andy has been saying, percentages go way down.
Is it Robinson’s fault or the team’s? I don’t know. I’m not in the huddle or on the floor; I have no idea who’s saying what. All I know is, whether the coach dictates or someone steps forward, it takes a leader on the floor. They need to settle on someone and attack with purpose at the end of games.
Come on, mismanged calls and time outs? Lack of coaching leadership?
However, yet another episode of end of game mismanagement, something that happened time and again in Oregon St.’s 4 overtime 103-101 loss to Stanford last Saturday, occurred.
Really? I guess I’m in a minority here but that was not a bad call or play at all. Starks was dialed in and took control of the game there and they got him the ball and he had the look and he came close to making it. To me that is showing good leadership by Robinson, Cunningham (who made sure to let Starks take it down), and Starks. My guess too is that Starks was also looking to drive it like he was able to do on other occasions to get your high % shot that you so wanted (or the foul) but the ’Cats defended that well and he made a great move to get a great look. Do you want your players or not to have the confidence to take control of games and attempt wide open looks to win games? You would really would have liked them to call time out to dink around with trying to set up an offense when you hot hand player has the ball and the play is set already with plenty of time left to get his looks?
Are we really going to always just piss and moan about these games? This is basketball and sometimes those drop and sometimes not. Again to be a total jack-ass this is how games are played sometimes, you have to go with a feel and trust the players to make the play, shot, pass, rebound. If you have played the game you well know this. Call a time out and it cuts into the flow sometimes and is sometimes NOT the way to go. Hell if Robinson calls some time out and they can’t execute coming out of it I bet we all would go ape on his breaking into the offensive rhythm.
I’m sorry, UW and WSU performances yes those were poorly played games. Stanford game had its moments of good, bad, and ugly but again I totally stand by my comments that then it went into uncharted lands. Last night’s game? They played at a tough venue and got behind, played some badly executed perimeter defense and were cold as heck from the field but made some adjustments and kept their composure and stayed in it to give themselves the chance to win it and missed a shot by not much, then I will admit they looked deflated in OT after I think they all really thought they had it won there at the end of regulation and it was UA’s game from there on, but still all of the sudden it is we should be winning the conference? Robinson’s leadership is horrible? Where all of the sudden does Arizona become an easy win?
I know I’m frustrated for I personally think the conference record does not reflect how talented the team is or how they seem to play pretty well as a team and I’m personally still disturbed that they are 1 and 4 now, but I think we are way over-analyzing it all from the negative/critical side of things.
Again I seem to be in a minority around here and that’s fine, it is what it is. But personally I thought that was a great call to have Starks control the ball and go for the win in regulation, just too bad it didn’t fall (Starks thought he had the touch and made it too by the way).
I will say again I’m frustrated as heck though and pretty confused about this team right now for one night they are totally comfortable from the perimeter and like last night can’t seem to find any rhythm. Though will say that isn’t necessarily all on the coach for he can only do so much you know and sometimes it does come down to the players.
-RVM
Ok, so I got that off my chest...
As for my own extreme frustration and to join everyone in being hypercritical (need to bond with by fellow fans here after my diatribe above) this TOTALLY pissed me off again and again last night:
Oregon St.’s defense continued to struggle at times, often double teaming the ball, which left open Arizona shooters for often unchallenged three pointers. And despite having a substantial size advantage inside, the Beavers had trouble exploiting the advantage, and only had a 4 point advantage in the paint.
I can’t believe how many open shots they had, bad execution out there. I will say it seemed in the second half and later in the game it got better, especially with Starks in there (Barton had a bit of a rough time out there on defense I thought, which is to be expected I guess with his experience).
Again though I do have to add in that I still have to give the team props for they didn’t look sharp at times for sure but they hung in the game and did not let it get away from them. I think we overlook the pressure and presence the Beavs have on defense when teams like Stanford and Arizona miss a lot of close range shots. We tend to fall back on we got lucky, which is sort of the case I know but also I noticed both teams put a good number of shots up pretty quickly that I assume was due to not wanting to get them blocked. The Beavs defense actually was a total Jekyll and Hyde act out there in both keeping themselves in the game and also letting the game get away from themselves at times too.
-RVM
This team is the LeBron James of the NCAA
Beating off the dog is never appropriate when we have company over...... I mean EVER!
This is an excellent summation of the situation.
Robinson’s leadership is not “horrible”, and neither is his overall coaching; he has the team in position to win in many of these games.
However, one of the primary roles of the head coach is to manage these end of game situations in a manner that gives the team the best chance of success, not just “a” chance to win if a great play is made.
Very rarely does one see an NBA game or a game involving an “elite” NCAA team (upper tier ACC, Big East, etc.) game that is in doubt in the final seconds where one or more timeouts are not used to assess the situation, and then at least attempt something that statistically has a higher chance to work than something that has a higher chance to fail.
There is a reason for that. The Beavers’ current approach has produced 1 win in 4 games that was decided by the last possession, which is close to the percentage of success overall of the kind of shot chosen to in those circumstances.
Statistics exist to substantiate the relative probability of success of various plays. Ignoring them only increases the probability of the failure that it is the job of coaching to avoid.
Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
BuildingTheDam.Com
Go Beavs!
Unless Coach Rob convinces me otherwise I thought that shot by Starks was as good as anything to win that game last night. Still not sold that was time for a TO.
-RVM
Burton will not be suspended by the Pac-12
After review of the game film, the conference determined that though Burton left the bench, which resulted in his automatic ejection (by rule), because he did not engage in fighting, no further sanctions were necessary.
Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
BuildingTheDam.Com
Go Beavs!
Another personal thing that is annoying me
Is after all the trash talk and rubbing it in by UA I totally bummed we don’t get them at Gill like we would have before the Pac-12. Maybe we can draw them in the Pac-12 tournament but still having them come into our place would have been pretty sweet drama.
-RVM

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