Bruins Just Good Enough To Beat Beavers Again
Final Score: UCLA 27 Oregon St. 19
For the second year in a row, UCLA beat Oregon St. up in the trenches, and Bruin quarterback Richard Brehaut did just enough, and nothing to lose the game, putting his team in position to benefit from others mistakes, and deal the Beavers a season damaging blow.
Brehaut only threw 11 passes, but completed 7 of them, including a pair on a 3 play drive that quickly erased any early momentum the Beavers might have had after a 17 play, 82 yard first drive, as well as the only lead Oregon St. has had in regulation this season. Brehaut also ran for a touchdown.
Sean Mannion, making his first start for Oregon St., completed 24 of 40 passes, for 287 yards, and the 45 yard touchdown to Jordan Bishop that capped a run of 16 straight points, and pulled the Beavers within 2 points of tieing the game at the end of the third quarter. But Mannion also threw an interception early in the second quarter that not only took the Beavers out of scoring position, but also set up the Bruins with a short field that produced a 14-3 lead.
Mannion also threw behind receivers on crossing routes on several occasions, including Marcus Wheaton, above, and also missed receivers with errant throws multiple times. Such was to be expected from a first time starter. Mannion also lost control of the ball on a pass that neither the Pac-12 officials on the field nor the replay crew were able to accurately rule correctly, which led directly to UCLA's third touchdown of the first half.
The officials' incompetence was one of several key developments that cost Oregon St. the win, but it wouldn't have happened had Mannion not mis-handled the ball. And like in last year's 17-14 loss in Los Angeles, while an officials' mistake can be directly linked to Oregon St. losing a game they were in position to win, there were plenty of other mistakes that put the Beavers in that position as well.
Meanwhile, UCLA played turnover free ball, and dominated the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Despite losing starting running back Johnathan Franklin to an apparently twisted ankle in the second quarter, after he had picked up only 36 yards, the Bruins still rolled up 211 yards rushing, as Derrick Coleman, below, came off the bench for a 100 yard rushing afternoon.
In contrast, Oregon St. could not get an effective running game going against a UCLA defense that hadn't stopped anyone on the ground previously. The Beavers managed only 88 yards rushing on 29 carries, which included only one sack of Mannion.
Jovan Stevenson had 47 of the yards, on just 7 carries, to lead Oregon St. Freshman Terron Ward got only 26 yards, and it took him 13 carries to do so. Why Stevenson, who was much more effective, got far fewer touches was unclear.
"The Calvary", as Oregon St. head coach had referred to WR James Rodgers, above, and TE Joe Halahuni as, both returned from rehabbing off-season surgeries, and both made an impact. Rodgers got a rousing reception from the crowd, and had 5 catches for 76 yards. Halahuni, below, had 5 catches for 26 yards.
Rodgers also saved the first drive, and 3 points for the Beavers, when he dove under the pile to pull out the ball after a Ward fumble on the lengthy first drive, and delivered several solid blocks.
Wheaton led Oregon St. with 7 catches for 83 yards, plus 4 fly sweeps for an additional 31 yards.
Bishop had 3 catches for 69 yards, and almost managed another Sportscenter grade grab, above, that bounced free when he hit the ground.
But his scoring catch and run, above, the first (and so far only) passing touchdown of the season for the Beavers, was spectacular as well, including diving the last 4/5 yards.
Josh Smith led UCLA in receiving, with 76 yards, including a 62 yard catch, above, that set up the Bruins' first score.
Oregon St.'s Jovan Stevenson (19) lines up the block on UCLA's Jeff Locke (18) that
sprang Jordan Poyer's (14) 85 yard punt return for a touchdown.
Special teams was a mixed bag for the Beavers. Jordan Poyer capped the second quarter with an 85 yard punt return for a touchdown seconds before the break. It was the second longest punt return in Oregon St. history, trailing only Dwayne Owens' 97 yarder, which also was at the Bruins' expense, in 1992. Interestingly, UCLA survived that long score as well, winning that contest 26-14.
In all, the Bruins have now won 41 of 60 meetings with the Beavers, including 2 in a row, and 7 of the last 9.
Poyer produced 156 return yards on 5 opportunities, and Oregon St.'s Andrew Seumalo, 49 below, also blocked both a field goal and an extra point, by UCLA's do everything kicker Jeff Locke, who is normally just the punter, but is filling in for the injured Kip Smith.
But freshman Trevor Romaine, who other wise kicked well, making both of his field goal attempts, had one kickoff go out of bounds 2 yards short of the pylon, costing Oregon St. 20 yards of field position. And on the kickoff that followed Bishop's score that made it a two point game, Romaine had to make the tackle after Josh Smith's 42 yard return. And, by the way, it remained a 2 point game, after an illegal procedure penalty on the two point conversion attempt forced it into an 8 yard play, which ended in an interception.
Also, though punter Johnny Hekker had a 53 yard punt, he also sent one 62 yards, and into the end zone before Poyer could down it, costing nearly 20 yards of field position as well.
"Trevor just can't kick the ball out of bounds," Riley said. "And I told Johnny ‘Your too good of a punter to be kicking the ball into the end zone in situations like that.'"
44,352 fans turned out on a sunny and warm Saturday that saw temperatures in the low 80s, the 13th. largest crowd in Reser Stadium history, and most of them booed the play calling on a couple of occasions, when third and fourth down situations saw plays run that didn't have any opportunity to pick up a first down.
Problems on earlier downs were at least as large a factor in Oregon St. failing on 10 of 18 3rd and 4th down plays, though. Coupled with the turnovers, the failure to convert first downs became too much for Oregon St. to overcome.
"There were a lot of good things to build on," Riley summarized, "But the turnovers were the difference in the game. We just can't have them."
Turnovers, and the mismatch in the trenches. The size and caliber of recruits a few seasons ago simply isn't sufficient to compete against many opponents Oregon St. is encountering, and its wasting the effort being made, and negating most other aspects of the game.
Poyer's punt return sparked the Beavers' third quarter rally, but while the effort wasn't lacking, the results were. Oregon St. has now lost 5 games in a row, for the first time in 14 years, since the end of Riley's first year in his first stint as head coach. The Beavers have also lost 7 of their last 8, and their first three games of a season, neither of which has happened since the end of the Jerry Pettibone debacle.
Oregon St. (0-3, 0-1) has lost 8 of 10, and 12 of 17, as they head for next week's game against Arizona St. in Tempe.
(Photos by Andy Wooldridge)
Andy_Wooldridge@yahoo.com
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Is there a video of the fumble pass
Since I’m in BFE and can’t watch anything, I’d like to see it; i keep reading about it. So what happened at least? Mannion threw, but the ball slipped half-way through the release and it fluttered, then recovered by UCLA?
"Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day."
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that's how i throw
when it’s raining and I’m playing touch football. Not NCAA, 1-step-away-from-big-time ball. It’s gonna be a long season.
"Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day."
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Someone needs to go
I don’t care if it’s Banker, Langsdorf, or Riley, but something has got to change. Beaver fans deserve more than this. There is no reason that we should be 0-3 when we have played Sacramento State and UCLA. I’m sick of all the “We played well” and “Ah, shucks” quotes after the game.
Why shouldn’t we expect more out of this team? Because we’re from Corvallis? Because we’re Oregon State, and not Oregon? Who cares! The point of football is to win games, not to try your best and lose week in and week out.
The only solution is to get rid of someone big and start from scratch. This season is already over and next year will be the exact same; More terrible defense, terrible play calls, and more awful losses.
Am I overreacting, yeah probably. But we deserve more than this.
Go Beavers!
Maybe if we ignore them, they'll go away
It’s a waste of time and blog space to keep analyzing Beaver football in depth. Just report the schedule and scores, but lavish other sports with your attention. How about lengthy reports about women’s soccer and volleyball? Lots of photos of those finely tuned athletes in action. What’s not to like about that? It’s bound to improve morale on BTD.
Meanwhile, abandoned and forlorn, Riley, Banker, and Langsdorf will simply fade away. We’ll read about their retirements, resignations, disappearances… replacements, in the Gazette-Times.
That would be great if riley went completely off the grid
Might get the team fired up.
I kid, I kid.
Go Beavers!
Thank GOD
you came back. I couldn’t get through the year without these comments.
BASEBALL !!! ...sucks :( or maybe not? It sorta does.
by Figgi4life on Sep 25, 2011 9:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
new chant
OOOOO! – AAAAANNNND! -TWEEELVE! – Beavs are goin O-12!
Please get the hell out of here
We know you are enjoying your great victories over the perennial powerhouses Idaho State and UNLV, but please celebrate on your own blog.
Go Beavers!
my bad
I do love my Cougs, just think its pretty funny that you guys ragged on us so hard last year, than we beat you, now ur 0-3, so ya, f the beavers
Name somebody
Who didn’t rag on you last year.
BASEBALL !!! ...sucks :( or maybe not? It sorta does.
by Figgi4life on Sep 25, 2011 9:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
and 1 more point, u have no right to talk about anyone’s small victories, u lost to Sac State, nuff said
Seriously man, get the hell out
Everyone rags on WSU and will continue, Beavs lost to Sac State – yeah we know; you’re not even in the same state, go talk shit to the dawgs blog if you feel like being a dick
"Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day."
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It's Kind of Sad
That the only person here talking crap isn’t a fan of the team that actually beat the Beavers this weekend, isn’t a fan of the arch-rival Ducks, they’re not even a fan of the historically successful Huskies. I understand that winning isn’t a recent tradition in Pullman, but act like you’ve been there before.
The guy is obnoxious, but he may be right about the Beavs going 0-12
I wonder what the Vegas odds would be on that.
We're going to win a game
This team does have some talent, we just need to put it all together. Group in some solid defense and good play calls, we should be able to beat one of the Washington schools.
Go Beavers!
Part of me is sure we'll win a game
The other part is asking “then which one?”
probably the Civil War
Beavs win 60-0, LMJ gets 4 yards on 35 carries :)
Ha!
"Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day."
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Wow what are you smoking
Shutting out the ducks at their place and scoring 60 on them, that will never happen.
He's a duck
We all know what he’s smoking ;)
I have doubts that any of the teams I root for will win another game this season
UCLA, Minnesota, and OSU. Can I pick ’em, or what?
But enough about football. How about that OSU volleyball team sweeping Utah?
(By the way, does anybody actually refer to Oregon State as “OS” rather than “OSU,” in spite of the money spent to dump the latter in favor of the former?)
i say o-state sometimes
"Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day."
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I feel you,
As a Panthers fan. Go Cam?
BASEBALL !!! ...sucks :( or maybe not? It sorta does.
by Figgi4life on Sep 25, 2011 9:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought you guys would win this one...
Coming off a bye week, playing a demoralized UCLA squad. Tough defeat. I don’t know what’s happened to your program since you guys played us at RES in ’08. That was a tough, tough game and we were lucky as all hell to get out of it with a win.
Hopefully you guys can beat BYU, though. I’ll be cheering for you.
Oh and beat Arizona State! Okay?
Thanks!
Thanks Jazzy
I thought this was our most likely conference win this year… looks like next on the “likely” (well, likeliest) win list are Cal and WSU.
I think the unfortunate truth is that it’s near impossible to sustain a top-25 caliber program every year in Corvallis. The hope is that lately it’s been down time for the program and not a new norm.
"Near impossible to sustain a top-25 caliber program every year in Corvallis"
If you’re right about that, then what do fans have a right to expect? Top-50? Top-100? How low should fan expectations be?
And as I have asked before, how is it possible for Boise State to field highly-ranked teams year after year, when they have far less resources than Oregon State (lesser academics, conference, facilities, budget, etc.)?
by fanoverboard on Sep 25, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I guarantee
that BSU has racked up some incredible infractions over the past few years, but the NCAA ignores them because they like the discussion (about the turf, about the BCS) BSU causes.
BASEBALL !!! ...sucks :( or maybe not? It sorta does.
by Figgi4life on Sep 25, 2011 9:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You guarantee that Boise State's success is the result of infractions that the NCAA ignores?
This is a conspiracy that should not be buried in a BTD comment. It’s worthy of front page coverage by the New York Times! Not only do you have evidence of Boise State’s “incredible infractions over the past few years,” but you have further evidence that “the NCAA ignores them,” AND through your investigative efforts you have even found the reason for the NCAA coverup: “They like the discussion (about the turf, about the BCS) BSU causes.”
Wait, when you say “guarantee,” that means you have evidence, right? It’s not all just ramblings from the mind of a discouraged Oregon State fan who is lashing out in envy at a successful Boise State program, is it?
by fanoverboard on Sep 25, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
Guess you didn’t pick up my sarcasm. Although I felt it was a hilariously well thought-out theory.
BASEBALL !!! ...sucks :( or maybe not? It sorta does.
by Figgi4life on Sep 25, 2011 4:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Totally fooled me. A perfectly constructed trap for the unwary. But, of course, since this is the worldwide web, someone else will eventually come across it, and it will find its way to the front page of the New York Times. Or at least the Enquirer.
by fanoverboard on Sep 25, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for hopping over, Jazzy.
ASU and BYU are going to be tall orders.
It’s not so much what happened to the team as what didn’t happen, specifically, recruiting into the trenches, and it didn’t happen back about the time of that spectacular game in SLC, and the year that followed.
The impact is showing up now, where an undersized group that lacks depth and DI experience isn’t up to the task at hand, and despite their best efforts.
There are other issues as well, but the Beavers aren’t winning the battle at the line of scrimmage nearly as often as they are losing it, making any consistency extremely hard to come by in any phase of the game.
Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
BuildingTheDam.Com
Go Beavs!
Oh, and before it starts up a ton
Calling for Coach Riley’s head is ridiculous. First of all, it’s been one bad year (first part of this year, and last half of last year.) It happens. Can’t be a Top-25 team every year in Corvallis.
But even ignoring that, even if you are an uber-Riley-hater, it’s pointless to go down that road now because:
1) Mike Riley is contracted through at least 2019. OSU is near the bottom of football spending in the Pac. We are not eating a buyout.
2) There is no one better waiting to take over the program. And don’t say “Mike Leach needs a job”; it’s not happening for multiple reasons.
It’s more relevant to talk about the position coaches/coordinators, but Riley isn’t going anywhere (and I’m good with that for now.)
And while I’m at it, I want to say that a certain caller (I think it was the first?) to the radio postgame show acted like a total jerk. Shameful.
Ok, so this is what I'll do:
I’ll start making shoes and start up a company, say Bly-Key, make a shit ton of money and donate a bunch to the university so they can afford several big boards with 4 random pictures on it….that otta do it!
"Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day."
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What I am saying is
How many more slow starts and mediocre seasons until Riley does get fired? It has to end at some point. I totally disagree on the coach thing. There are plenty of great coaches at non-AQ schools that would take the job in a heartbeat. Nick Holt, Mario Cristobal, Larry Fedora, and Kevin Sumlin come to mind. I guarantee we would have at least a 1-2 record right now under those coaches.
And yes, that guy was an idiot.
Go Beavers!
Wait wait what?
How many more slow starts and mediocre seasons until Riley does get fired?
From Wikipedia:
Oregon State Beavers (Pacific-10 Conference) (2003–present)
2003 Oregon State 8–5 4–4 T–5th W Las Vegas
2004 Oregon State 7–5 5–3 T–3rd W Insight
2005 Oregon State 5–6 3–5 7th
2006 Oregon State 10–4 6–3 3rd W Sun
2007 Oregon State 9–4 6–3 3rd W Emerald
2008 Oregon State 9–4 7–2 T–2nd W Sun
2009 Oregon State 8–5 6–3 T–2nd L Las Vegas
2010 Oregon State 5–7 4–5 T–5th
Since Riley returned, 6 out of 8 seasons have been winning seasons, and we’ve played for the Rose Bowl twice. We upset the #1 ranked 2008 USC team and handed them their sole loss of the season. If it weren’t for that visor-wearing coach down the road who was the hot thing in college football and came at the worst time, we’d have gone to the Rose Bowl and the conversation here would be entirely different.
We don’t spend the money, and we don’t boost our records and controversial fame by playing in the WAC. It’s one thing to have high expectations, but another to have unreasonable ones. I think calling all these seasons “mediocre” is quite a negative interpretation.
That 2006-2008 stretch was nice
But everything else, you have to admit, is mediocre.
Of course if we had gone to the Rose Bowl, everything would be different. But we didn’t, we fell short TWO years in a row. Honestly, I’m fine with the Insight and Sun Bowls, but when you’re not going to ANY bowls and you don’t have the BCS apperarences to back it up, that’s when you have a problem.
Go Beavers!
Here's how I disagree and could just be a matter of semantics
But I don’t see falling short of the Rose Bowl as “mediocre” I see that as “underachieving.” Now all in all we may be splitting hairs here and yes I totally admit it still begs the question of successful coaching, but I see “mediocre” as more along the lines of 2005 or 2010 or 2001 under DE.
To me that means more along the lines of .500 or sub-.500 level seasons. Some good wins here and there, some bad ones, and some that could have gone either way and all basically went the other way.
Tied for 2nd in the Pac-10? I can’t believe you would call 2009 “mediocre” for that was actually a much closer championship year than 2008. The Beavs lost by four points to the Pac-10 champion at their place and the team that went on the next year to play in the National Championship. The team that year also only lost to ranked teams and never got blown out until the Let-Down-Bowl in Vegas. I see these type of seasons as more about some really good wins and consistent winning streaks happening.
Now I think personally where I find a lot of fault and issues with the coaching and program in these cases is that they can’t seem to push it over the edge and take it to the next level. I wonder/worry if maybe this is starting to catch up a bit with the program and now they are struggling to find that extra something and in turn don’t know what to do and in turn are starting to make things worse by falling back on “this worked in the past” when they should be thinking a bit more outside the box. I am especially becoming critical of this with the offense.
Again though maybe I’m being too much a homer here but really “mediocre” for me defines 2005 and 2010 and that’s not that bad for a coach in a very competitive conference. That said in no way am I defending 2011 with all of this for so far for it is starting to look like “mediocre” at best right now and I am duly concerned.
-RVM
This is what I am hearing you say:
Ignore the top 38% of the years Riley had, and everything’s mediocre.
Well…. yeah…. I guess it would be more so then, but…
How many Pac-10 teams have gone to the BCS lately?
USC (nice to have 4 and 5-star recruits everywhere)
Stanford (and Harbaugh jumped ship after because he knew it’s all downhill and had a good op in the pros… you only get one Andrew Luck)
Oregon (they spend more money, have newer facilities, more marketing, and a hot coach that ranks among the best in the nation for now)
…and I think that’s about it. Arizona? Nope. ASU? Nope. UCLA? They play in the Rose Bowl about 7 times a year… but nope. Cal? Nope. Washington? Not since the Erickson days. WSU? Er, no. We were a heck of a lot closer than those teams.
My every season thoughts once again
First I want to give Andy some props. The amount of work and thought he puts into being more partial and at the same time critical with these write ups is impressive.
I agree that in an ideal world we should be covering other sports too, but there is three main writers on this blog who all have other lives and we cover what we can cover. Only two of us made it to the game and if you really want to cover more sports some of you were signed up before and if anyone wants to they can make a request with Andy to be a writer. We welcome other views and more sports coverage.
Plus on a more “practical” business note football is THE sport of interest and it is what brings the readers in. Look all in all it is my least fav sport out of the big men’s sports at OSU, but I’m just in a minority. We need the readers. The readers want some reasoned takes on what is going on with this team. Plus I still enjoy football a good deal and want to read some more level-headed coverage of what is becoming a very tough season.
Anyway we need to give Andy credit, he puts a lot into this and it is important sports news. Just like being a fair weather fan you can’t be a fair weather writer either. It is football and the team will have its ups and downs, highs and lows, etc. Need to write and talk about it either way.
As for being the fan hell yes there is really no excuse to be losing to Sac State and to a point UCLA, but with what Riley and Company have done over the years and what they may still be able to do we still have to give them credit, sure we need to take them to task, but as posted before we need to keep it all a bit in perspective. I’ll tell you one thing and let’s go end-of-the-world-worse-case-scenario and this team goes complete belly-up and doesn’t win a game this year, who is REALLY going to feel worse about it all? You and me and Connor-calling-for-their-heads-OSU or the coaches? I’ve said this before but we all get to go back to our lives after the final gun goes off, go back to jobs that have nothing really to do with OSU sports, and we have the luxury to tune it all out as fanoverboard wants, BUT it is their weekly, daily, and hourly lives, so we can’t totally undersell that.
Do we DESERVE anything? Come on fans, we are fans! The players, their families, and coaches deserve more not us. And they are the ones who can do anything about it. They are the ones who really did “sign” on for the deal. If it REALLY irks you as a fan don’t buy the tickets, spend it on something else. Football tickets are pretty damn spendy really, buy a couple movie tickets and something for your significant other as a surprise.
By the way this is college football remember and your tickets and support of the team buys into more than just the games. The POINT of college sports is not to only win games but a lot more. And I’ll tell you something and when the MAIN point becomes winning at the college level you are not going to like the longer term effects it has on the program (there are some teams around who can testify to this). If winning is your only focus then let’s just get it out there on the table and say we should professionalize the whole deal, go as a minor NFL league, then we can fire coaches on a whim and really play up the gimmicks to bring the fans in.
Look I felt let down personally when I spent $150 on the Sac State game, but I also was able to do things with my family at the Alumni center, come to Corvallis for a day, play on the field with my kid after the game, and so on. And after the game I was all pissy and that, thought I totally ruined the day for my family. We ate at fast food restaurant after the game and I was all complaining to my wife about the game still, and then we came across a player’s family eating there. Were they pissing and moaning about a ruined day? Nope they were planning for how to get to the Wisconsin game and juggle their other kid’s school and after school lives. One of the family asked my wife how she enjoyed the game and she was like “it was a tough one” and they were yep but proud to mention their brother is on the team. Put it a bit more in perspective for me I didn’t deserve to be made “happy” by OSU football.
Ok, so to take the non-healy-fealy side of things hell yes this season has me a bit on edge and cranky. Yes we should be critical of a group of men who make a TON of money to bring in results. Yes we need a space like this blog space to vent and move on to the next game. But at the same time I just wish we could step a bit outside this immediate win and loss short term view and see some of the bigger picture that isn’t always so bad.
On that larger picture I do agree with some of the comments posted here and in the game thread and I think there is potential for this team. I think they are still very rough and inexperienced and the loss of some key upperclassmen has hurt the team’s identity and mental toughness. With some of those players now making their way back into the rotation I think there is potential for this team to get the leadership they need on the field. Sure I’m worried, we are three games in and it won’t get any easier. BUT there are winnable games coming up if this team can get over this hump and take it to the next level or even hopefully further.
I see these next three games as where this team needs to turn things around. They need to be competitive at the least against a tough ASU team (as in don’t do this get behind and slowly catch up and then choke it away in the end thing they have done against Sac State and UCLA) and then take it from there. Will it happen? No idea, but it is out of my hands.
I know I’ve said this all before and it is just how I am and I seem to be in the minority with my views, so take it as you want.
And I’ll just be quiet for about it all now.
-RVM
by rvm on Sep 25, 2011 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, okay, you're right about a lot of that, but...
can’t we still have some photos of women’s volleyball players? It might attract a few more fans to the blog, and the timing is perfect. The team is on a roll. Recent lopsided victories against Utah and Colorado. OREGON STATE IS A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH IN THE PAC-12!!! You may not have occasion to write that sentence about any other sport this year.
by fanoverboard on Sep 25, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree! Just not sure who can do that, we have limited writer coverage here!
You had some really good stuff about gymnastics last season (I tried to get to Corvallis for some of those tournaments but never was able to…) so I would nominate you! Have you been attending any of the volleyball matches this fall?
Photos too are so male sports focused with the stuff we can tap into readily to legally post. Tons of stuff to be found of us losing to UCLA on the AP! Really one of us has to get a match to get any photos we can use and again were a bit thin in the staff here!
Anyway, I’m actually really not joking about this at all and let’s see what we can do.
-RVM
I know Basketball is a major sport
But I can’t wait to cover that hard this year. We’ve got the talent to do something special. Midnight Madness is less than three weeks away!
Go Beavers!
Who takes the photos that appear on the official OSU athletics website?
Hasn’t BTD been getting permission to use those for football? Why not volleyball and other sports, too?
by fanoverboard on Sep 25, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
At least in the past those have been “property” of OSU athetics so we try to use our own or the AP ones available through SBN.
At one time we were using those off the site and I think Jake was told not to do that. I could be a bit off in memory here though, just know we avoid those.
Andy?
-RVM
While I sort of agree with you that we are just fans
Fans should have SOME say. Without fans there would be no one at the games and no one to donate money to the program. If we don’t want change, is DeCarolis going to make a move? Ed Ray? It has to start somewhere, so I guess that’s why I made that post last night.
Go Beavers!
We do have a say and we (as fans) are part of the bottom line
But I think there is a line to draw here, especially in terms of college sports and we don’t “deserve” to be main consideration.
I’m a big time Riley fan I’ll admit. But yes I’ll also go with you that he makes big bucks to coach and one part of that coaching duty is to be successful and to bring in fans. Yes he should be accountable. Just again there are other areas of success he needs to be measured against as a college coach.
-RVM
**** I said I was going to be quiet about all this now!
Damn you Connor!
I can’t get you to bite but you got me on the line don’t you!!!
-RVM
Riley is a great person
And he is a great “developer” of men, but at some point you have to win games. Losing seven out of your last eight isn’t good enough for a Pac-12 program.
And by the way, I don’t think Riley should be fired this year. But someone needs to, preferably Banker or Langsdorf.
Go Beavers!
Again you got me going
Yes, I don’t have an overarching general argument against this. BUT I just don’t think even at that measurement level it is totally fair. In the past he has won games and for two years in a row had the team on the verge of a conference title. Don’t get me wrong as a fan I find the current trend disturbing and frustrating. But he just has a longer history of success to be figured into it all.
Look I’m not naive and totally Riley fan blind and I know/understand that sooner or later if this trend continues something will have to give, but I just don’t think we are there yet. AND as a fan we need to have a little confidence in Riley, I mean I’m pretty sure he’s not too happy with losing and not doing it on purpose.
-RVM
This is just how I am
I hate shortsighted views of things. I think things in life, sports, and so on are more complex and have so many variables that this type of all or nothing/short-term fan attitude annoys me.
Not saying I put you in that category Connor, I actually don’t, but do feel some of your current frustration above is echoing some of that so used it to frame some of my arguments above.
Again, I’m not sure I’m in the majority here when it comes to being a sports fan.
-RVM
His best season was a trip to the Sun Bowl
And being on the verge of a conference title, I’ll admit, was fun, but being on the verge two years in a row and not winning that title isn’t that great of an accomplishment.
So in Riley’s nine years at Oregon State, his accomplishments have been Sun Bowl victories and near-misses on a Pac-10 championship. Is that bad, no, but it looks a lot worse when you start having losing season after losing season.
Once again, I just think we need to try something new. If Riley got rid of either Banker or Langsdorf, I’d (On a personal level, which I know doesn’t matter all that much) give him at least two more years before calling for his own job.
Go Beavers!
would your opinion be the same if the team to the south had not been wining so much
I mean this as a question that point to the increased pressure that is put on teams and its issues because a view of success is so close to us know heck I went to one of there games for a lark.
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Yes
Of course I always root against Oregon and hate when they succeed, but that doesn’t affect my expectations for Oregon State.
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are you being total truthful
has not oregon success not effected your view of the beavers just a little bit I would think it would just a little
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The success Oregon has had,
like that at Boise St., only debunks the notion that success can’t be had in a small town.
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50/50
50% totally disagree about Eugene and the UO, too much money and too tapped into a prime donor base (especially one donor). I think this is too much apples and oranges.
50% somewhat agree about Boise and BSU and this is a better model of “small town” success for Corvallis and OSU, the problem here is Corvallis is 54,000 and Boise is 205,000! Not really a good "small town comparison. I think it is a much better comparison in terms of the university size and resources.
-RVM
While I’m a bit like you and would like some BCS type of games and winning it all seasons I also disagree a bit for we aren’t SC or UO with the money and resources to consistently get to that upper level.
I guess this sounds like I’m settling for second best or worse, which I guess in a way I kind-of am but look at a storied program like UW or UCLA. They haven’t achieved what Riley has during the last ten years.
To go with you here for a bit though I question the offensive coaching a lot more of late. I just don’t think it matches up with Riley’s more “pro” type of offense ideals. I know Banker and Company have had issues against the spread schemes but I think also he is not a bad coach. Just my opinion though.
-RVM
That was an incomplete thought sorry
And I feel Banker fits more with Riley’s overall ideal for how the entire team should function. I think that if the offense was more open like we’ve seen in the past like with Anderson and Moore as QBs, and even Canfield in 2009, the defense seems to come around and match well. The defensive back coaching needs to figure things out though. Though yes it comes down to the players matched up in those schemes. I mean Agnew looks like he could be a great back within the running schemes the team has, but he has been out. And who knows maybe Mannion is going to go that level where the coaches feel better opening it up.
But yes calling a flysweep (a play that takes forever to get going and starts deep in one’s own backfield) on a short second down on a drive already starting in great field position and that looked ready to go down and take the lead in the game Saturday was mind-numbing.
-RVM
Ah yes, the Sun Bowl. I remember that thrilling 3-0 victory over Pitt.
That was the season when USC beat Penn State 38-24 in the Rose Bowl and Utah beat Alabama 31-17 in the Sugar Bowl. Let’s face it guys, when all is said and done, Riley’s list of “accomplishments” at OSU will be modest in comparison to many of his contemporaries elsewhere.
Heck of a nice guy, though.
by fanoverboard on Sep 25, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he was referring to the one against Missouri and Chase Daniel
The one where we came back and won the game on the 2-point conversion.
Not the one where the team just lost a really heart-wrenching CW game and was down some key players.
See this is what I mean by short-sighted.
-RVM
How are you defining "contemporaries"?
There are a lot of Div-1 coaches out there you know, and probably a good number who wouldn’t mind so much to have his history.
Is he top tier in terms of accomplishments? No, but not many are in that category are they? I would say he is pretty close to someone like Mike Bellotti.
-RVM
I don't want to be a Bellotti defender, but
a quick check of Wikipedia shows his record at Oregon to be 116-55 (.678 winning percentage) and Riley’s record at Oregon State to be 69-56 (.552 winning percentage). That’s not “pretty close,” that’s a HUGE difference in Bellotti’s favor. Heck, Riley’s lost more games but played 46 fewer! You don’t really want to let your hatred for Bellotti cause you to discount his accomplishments.
Let’s see, as long as I’m on Wikipedia, how about Dennis Erickson? He went 31-17 at OSU (.646), and of course he won a BCS bowl as a Beaver and two national championships previously.
Hmmm, I better stop this before I really get down on Riley. Heck of a nice guy, though.
by fanoverboard on Sep 25, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
People, not only me, seemed to compare Riley and Bellotti as “peers” so that was my comparison in terms of building programs, wins/losses part of that but also level of year in and year out competition, bowl wins, NFL players, etc. He had some great teams like the one that should have been playing a National Championship game but people never seemed to see him as in that “top tier” like say they see someone like Paterno or Bowden. Or even like Kelly and Bellotti has seemed to have himself placed in this area of never living up to the bill of the program, like how I see Riley.
And remember that Dennis then did nothing basically after his BCS bowl game, especially when looking at it in terms of our National Championship/Pac-10 Championship expectations at OSU. Couldn’t one argue he just found lightning in a bottle for one OSU season with a change of schemes with Riley’s players.
But still ok, let’s take Dennis and Mike to that next level of top tier that is only still two coaches out of how many?
Anyway, not a problem, I should have stopped with my initial post for I’m just finding myself in this loop again of trying to look at the larger picture and all in all just feeling like what the fuck is the big deal for us personally. Why can’t we have some fun and move on?
In the end if the team ends up with another losing season I assume there will be some serious administrative questioning but in the end for me personally I think Riley is a better coach than people seem to give him credit for when they get into this crass “he’s a great guy, but” insulting. Great coach? Nope. But a good one.
-RVM
Well, if you’re going to base your opinions on “people” who “seem to compare Riley and Bellotti as peers,” instead of comparing their records,and then discount the records when they are pointed out to you, I’m not going to bother spending any more time on Wikipedia looking up additional coaches with records better than Riley’s 69-56 (.552), with conference championships, with BCS bowls, etc. Somebody’s out there winning that stuff, and it isn’t Mike Riley.
Beaver Nation loves Mike Riley. I get that. But I’m not affected by his reality distortion field, and when I look at his actual record, I see that he’s just average. If that’s good enough for Oregon State and its fans, then fine. I’m not an alum. I just live here and root for the Beaver teams.
by fanoverboard on Sep 25, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The larger picture is always a bit foggy because the beavs have that 28 year history of losing in the background. Remember, Riley also bailed on the program when it needed him most, so I don’t think loyalty should play a part. Give him this year and next, a wise boss of mine said three occurrences makes a trend. Get a winning program back on the field in 2012 or retire gracefully.
I don't know about "balied"
He got a head coaching job in the NFL. Most people are taking that over a job coaching a team with 28 straight losing seasons, and I don’t blame them.
Can I get a printable copy?
This just makes so much sense that I want to pring it off without printing everything here! Can you send me such a copy?
by slowrunnerbeav on Sep 26, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
all I have to say is
that a few more years like this will make it easier for me to by that extra season ticket I want to get for my son when he gets old enough to go. But I do believe that there is talent on this team. let’s not fool ourselves we all had miss giving’s about the O and D lines and we knew the running game was going to take a hit because Quizz is gone. This is college football change happens every two to three years. Yes, I want this team to play better yes the coaching staff can take some of the fault for the teams play. But this team will grow and we’ll grow with them this is what sport is all about right. Take a look at WSU fans my hat is off to them if we can get thought this with the amount class they did we’ll be just fine. Believe me I’m not all sun shine and lollypops about this 0-3 start but what we are going to do just give up and become duck fans. So hey, it is going to be ok the sun will come up tomorrow if we go 0-12. I think that this organization has come to far from those 28yrs to go back to that again and if so I say so be it bring on the pain it is just a cathartic as a win. And I would agree with RVM he took all of the level headed comments darn him lol
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it does but the clouds of defeat cover it
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Riley etc.
Don’t fire anybody yet!! Riley is 6 games from being the winningest coach is OS history. The question may be will he get the 6 wins or get to .500 first. I am hoping for the 6 wins, but it does not look like they will come this season. I hope they can win some games. There is talent on the team, but the defensive and offensive lines are undersized and getting pushed around. I am in this for the long haul and have been for over 40 years. I drive 3 and 1/2 hrs on game day. I do appreciate RMV’s “My Every Seasons Thoughts Once Again” Just about says it all. The only deal that upsets me is that we do not have a winning record against any of the old PAC-10 schools. We were closing in on WSU and Cal, but that we be a few years before that happens. Then also , even given our success of the last 11 years or so, there is not team in the league that thinks it shouls lose to the Beavers. We are going to have to fight to overturn that, and it will take more than 10 or 11 years evidently!! Go Beavs!

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