Thursday Conversation: What is Katz' Ceiling?
by Jake Bertalotto on Sep 9, 2010 10:18 AM PDT
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PrintWe've only seen Ryan Katz play one game as the leader of the Oregon State offense, but most people are ready to predict that he'll be one of Oregon State's great quarterbacks. How great of a career will he have? Has he given you reason to believe, with his performance in practice and last Saturday's game, that he will make it high on this list?
Cast your vote below. Remember, he only has three years to do it.
--Jake | (jake.buildingthedam@gmail.com)
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I think Katz is ripe with potential. Unlike DA, we were able to ease him into live action and bring him along for a few seasons now. Remember, this is a kid who graduated HS early and joined the team as soon as he could, a la Canfield.
Anyway, after seeing him play and make some rookie mistakes in what was definitely the debut of all debuts (Cowboy Stadium, nationally televised, Top 10 opponent), I feel very confident that with his arm strength, accuracy and athleticism, Katz can reach that DA level of success. I don’t know that he actually is asked to throw nearly as often, but who knows. With his arm and the young receivers we have it’s possible.
Long way to go
I don’t think we’ll really have a good idea of where he could rank on this list until the end of this season.
I do like his potential though and agree with ArbyOSU above.
-RVM
The jury is definitely still out, but I think he could be up there. The fact we didn’t need to throw him into action before he was ready for it like we did DA will end up meaning a lot. I seem to remember DA being fed to the wolves at SC. He took a few hard knocks and I think that had long term effects on his ability to make good decisions. Plus he was the KING of locking in on one receiver for an entire game, all the way up into his senior year. So many picks…
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He took a few hard knocks and I think that had long term effects on his ability to make good decisions. Plus he was the KING of locking in on one receiver for an entire game, all the way up into his senior year. So many picks…
Indeed yes, but I think also in general that Anderson is just not quite as sharp a guy as say Moore, Smith, and Canfield (even without the knocks he took over time). I like Derek quite a bit and neat Oregon based talent, but he just was not the most mentally sharp guys around. To me that seems to be part of his locking in issue and he becomes so damn fixated on gunning the throws in there. Doesn’t think before he throws like someone like Canfield or Moore really learned to do. With the right mentorship, offensive schemes, and defensive back-up Derek could be a not bad NFL QB, but if not he will fall back on bad brain-fart habits.
As for Katz and comparing him to Andreson, what I really liked in this first glimpse is that Ryan can throw the long ball and he can really touch them in there. I think also that if he can learn to look off receivers and not lock in AND also learn to check off to his runners out of the backfield, which he did at times, he will have a VERY good OSU career.
BUT again let’s see how it goes this season, lots of challenges left. I would think he will both struggle and excel at times this year. How he bounces back from struggling and if he consistently improves from his good play will tell us the story.
-RVM
Ryan would have to average over 280 yards per game
and play in every game, and a bowl game every year, to catch Derek.
240 per game (which means exceeding that to make up for being under that at TCU) won’t catch Jonathan.
If he misses even just a couple of games, that average starts to get pretty high.
So I vote for the Smith/wilhelm range. Reaching Derek will require a lot of pass calls, something Ryan can’t control, and in some games, with ’Quizz (for two of the three years), the Beavers will want to run a lot, and that limits the throws.
This illustrates just how effective Derek was at his best.
Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
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Also keep in mind there were a couple years with DA here...
…When we had one of the worst rushing attacks in the entire nation.
'04 aka The Dwight Wright year was a killer.
Total team rushing: 848
If I remember correctly, it would have been Steven’s senior year that season. Instead we get 848 total rushing behind a great name, but not a great back. What could have been…
by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Sep 9, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep on Jackson’s senior year.
To take a little off Dwight and the running backs, we do have to remember that was Riley’s second year and the program was in the height of its transition from the Erickson bailing to Riley’s second coming. The ’04 and ’05 seasons were tough on the program this way.
-RVM
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