Oregon State Football News and Notes: Riley Assesses Performance, and More
by Jake Bertalotto on Sep 6, 2010 9:23 AM PDT
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PrintThe team has the day off today before getting back to the practice field tomorrow. The players and coaches had a chance to watch film of the TCU game yesterday, and as you can imagine, know they have work to do.
Take this tweet from backup tailback Jordan Jenkins, for example:
Watched, studied, learned, humbled, time reanalyze the situation and make it better.
Jordan Jenkins
jjenks2
Now, on to the links:
Mike Riley talked to the media last night in a teleconference: Paul Buker, Cliff Kirkpatrick, and Bob Clark all have their reports on the same call. The jist: Riley wasn't happy with the time of possession numbers and can't remember the last time the Beavers only ran 51 plays (TCU ran 81). He doesn't think the roof was as big of a factor as everyone at TCU seemed to think. There were no injuries, no lineup changes are expected. On the botched snap: "We didn't go to the line of scrimmage with confidence."
A few more notes on TCU: I sort of put this storyline into the "I don't care" category before the game, but by beating the Beavers, Andy Dalton is now ahead of Sammy Baugh as TCU's winningest quarterback in school history. Despite etching his name atop this list, Dalton has some work to do himself-- he's thrown five interceptions in his last two games alone. Last season, he only threw eight all year. Dalton: "This is what I was doing when I was a freshman. ... What am I doing? I'm a fifth-year senior."
Also, wasn't expecting post-game trash talk to come from a pulpit.
Big weekend for former Beavers in the NFL, as a litany of roster cuts were made. Notably: Slade Norris (Raiders), Sean Canfield (Saints), and Keaton Kristick (49ers) are now on practice squads. Keith Ellison stayed on the Bills' 53-man roster, and Sabby Piscitelli remains with the Bucs. Al Afalava was released in Chicago, still waiting to see where he goes next. T.J. Houshmandzadeh was released by Seattle, put picked up by the Ravens this morning. I hope I'm not missing anyone, but here is a list of former Beavers who are on 53-man rosters:
Derek Anderson (Cardinals), T.J. Houshmandzadeh (Ravens), Dwan Edwards (Billis), Keith Ellison (Bills), Andy Levitre (Bills), Matt Moore (Panthers), Chad Ochocinco (Bengals), Victor Butler (Cowboys), Nick Barnett (Packers), Kyle DeVan (Colts), Adam Koets (Giants), Keenan Lewis (Steelers), Steven Jackson (Rams), Brandon Hughes (San Diego), Sabby Piscitelli (Bucs), Sammie Stroughter (Bucs).
Post any other links of interest in the thread below. Happy Monday!
--Jake | (jake.buildingthedam@gmail.com)
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Concerns for OSU
Here are my main concerns after watching the disappointing game vs TCU:
1) Why is the defense so slow? The LB’s looked 1-2 steps slow and they were out of position the entire game.
2) Where was the pressure/containment from the front 7? AKA: Run defense?
3) Why can’t the OL get the push up front needed for a productive and consistant running game?
(OSU future opponents will exploit these weaknesses.)
4) What happened to the overall team speed?
5) Why can’t Mark Banker figure out how to stop the “spread offense” with a running QB?
Can anyone answer these questions???
Welcome! A comment on #3...
And hopefully this comes out coherently:
With TCU sending so many receivers out in their spread, the linebackers were often dropped back into pass coverage. That meant that it was OSU’s front 4 vs. TCU’s O-Line. Once the O-Linemen pushed our defensive linemen around a bit, all Dalton had to do was step up in the pocket, in front of the defensive rush, and he had five free yards.
Just my observation… this didn’t happen every play, but more than once at least.
Still no excuses from the defensive front. Banker and Seumalo obviously weren’t happy with them at the half. Paea started the third quarter on the sideline, while Masaniai and Hull started at DT. That shows you something right there.
--Jake | (jake.buildingthedam@gmail.com)
by Jake Bertalotto on Sep 6, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
OSU DL problems
Thanks for your input! I agree that OSU’s DL was losing the battle upfront with TCU’s OL. It looks like the running version of the spread offense is the offense of the future, and will give any defense problems! Especially a defense that doesn’t have a solid DL. So, what must OSU do to solve this problem in the future? I remember the defense from the 2000 Fiesta Bowl team, they played very fast and flew to the ball! Does OSU need bigger tackles and ends, faster tackles and ends, more depth, etc? OSU must find a way to stop UO, losing to them 2 years in a row when the winner goes to the ROSE BOWL, sucks!!! ( i know its Dec 4th and a long way away, but still BEAT OREGON!!!)
Roster moves
I’m glad Slade at least stayed on the practice squad, but I really hoped he would make the 53 man roster.
I’m surprised Keaton didn’t. My take is he really needs to work on the speed of his reads, as reaction time is one of the most vital aspects of playing linebacker, as TCU reminded us.
Sean is probably “on plan” with New Orleans; I jut wish the NFL would eliminate their stupid practice team rules where players have to be cut and resigned. Just give teams 60 man rosters and be done with it.
Afalava being cut by the Bears could just be a"Bears" thing; I hope some team that needs an experienced DB, and there are lots of them, picks him up, and does it soon.
TJ to the Ravens is Baltimore’s gain, and TJ’s loss. It might even give him a better shot at the playoffs. This is the latest in a series of headscratcher moves in Seattle, where it is not at all clear what Carroll and Schneider are trying to do. We know from experience that Pete usually has a vision in mind, but I can’t for the life of me figure out what it is from some of his moves. It is almost like a number of the moves have been emotional knee-jerk reactions, rather out of character for Pete, even going back to his pre-USC days, where he had an idea of what he wanted to do, even if it didn’t work.
Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
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Go Beavs!
Carroll
Is Carroll out to get Beavers? He did not even give Mike Hass a chance.
As much as I would like to bash on Pete, I will say NO one has given Mike a chance. The closest he seemed to come was in Chicago and he was barely floating around the practice squad with Seattle before Carroll came on board.
As for TJ I think he is a GREAT receiver, much overshadowed by Chad over the years, but he is getting up there in age and he costs a lot to keep on board. It does make sense to me, as much as I might not personally like it, that Seattle let him go. I don’t know but it would seem like Pete is trying to build up his own program with younger talent that fit his schemes. Someone like TJ is a lot like TO right now and they have their own schemes they fit into and too old to really change up if needed (Note: I’m not saying TJ = TO, just that they are at a similar stage of their careers where they need to find a team that let’s them play at their pace).
I don’t think it is emotional knee-jerk reactions, I think he is trying to build up some areas that Mora did not address. I would actually argue that Mora’s taking of TJ was a more knee-jerk reaction in that it seemed a bit of this gamble to bring in a veteran, who played all his NFL career basically under one type of offensive system, to hopefully instantly clean up the receiving issues that plagued the team under Holmgren and Mora.
I want to once again emphasize that the Hawks are my favorite NFL team, and have been since the late 80s, and I would want nothing better to see two of my favorite Oregon State alums playing for my favorite pro team. But I just don’t personally see these two moves (Hass and TJ) as anything out of the norm for new coaches and indeed in general for NFL transactions.
-RVM
That snap....
"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"
I think you
Need therapy.
WTY's ERA+ = 147 : - ) -- Kevin Frandsen > Brandon Wood??????
by Figgi4life on Sep 6, 2010 12:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yes
It’s lodged in my head.
What could have been?!
Should’ve, would’ve, could’ve …. but didn’t.
"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"
i'm still young
maybe in about 10 years I’ll completely stop caring, and expect things like that
"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"
Expecting doesn’t necessarily equal not caring.
Remember I was the one who said winning this game was essential to program making a step forward on the national scene. Even though I think it was still a good game for the Beavs and in a way I was not surprised they came up short, I still believe winning this game would have gone a long way to establishing our program as one that can win the big game.
It pisses me off that we are still seem to find ourselves in that “Oregon State football teams are great teams to play to build your resume on. They are solid and successful, but also aren’t TOO dangerous of an opponent.”
I think the program has the talent to win these games. But that snap, that snap…
-RVM
ugh
…that snap.
That is how I will forever remember that game. To me it will be known as “That Snap”
"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"
Whoa.
Alaska, dude? ALASKA? (Just read your description)
WTY's ERA+ = 147 : - ) -- Kevin Frandsen > Brandon Wood??????
by Figgi4life on Sep 7, 2010 12:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yup
I’m from Alaska. Lots of family in OR…in fact, I have to fly to a wedding next weekend down there…too bad it’s not the following weekend, i’d ditch the wedding and go watch the home opener.
"Twin-headed infinite swirling vortex of grotesque suckitude known as Tony Clark and Eric Byrnes"
Kicking the ball through the endzone was the worst option
I know, I know it was Katz first start, but you know that kicking the ball through the endzone was the worst possible option for him to choose at that point in the game. By doing that, he made it a two score game AND gave the ball back to TCU. He should have attempted a recovery which in a best case scenario the Beavers have the ball at their own 1 yard line with three plays left to do something and even if he botched the recovery and TCU scored so what, it is still a two score game BUT the Beavers get the ball back. Beavers score and then get a chance to onside kick. Hey, I am just saying there are players out there with that kind of savvy. They know how to keep a game alive until the bitter end. I hope a coach points out that what he did was the wrong decision for that point in the game.
While I agree
This is kind-of harsh to lay on him. I totally think yes in that situation he needs to try and recover it for yes I agree even if TCU gets a TD out of it it still is basically the same situation for the Beavs as with the safety (and like you said with a TD actually the Beavs at least get the ball back again).
BUT at the same time that was a tough deal for him. The instant thinking is that you want to take the safety versus a TD and in about every other case the safety is the smart play. Imagine what we would have been saying if the Beavs were up by six and he tried to grab it and lost it and TCU scored a TD! Plus he must have been frustrated and freaked out when that happened so going by gut reaction.
Yes though I would imagine he will get some coaching on this and yes I totally agree the better choice was to try and pick it up get it back in the field of play to have ANY type of chance there. It just was a tough deal though for a first time start. I don’t know I personally think he will only get smarter and better.
-RVM
by rvm on Sep 8, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he must have seen some punters do that when the ball goes over their head on a bad snap! Not trying to be harsh just Monday morning quarterbacking that there was a better option and hoping that the coaches do mention it to him. And yes very tough situation, but the game is played to always give you team the best chance to win!
I’m basically totally with you on this one, it all isn’t keeping me up at night like it seems to be for sergey606! But dang that was one haunting play for the season so far!
Was it just me or from Riley’s reaction in the game and his comments afterward was he TOTALLY expecting the offense to march down and score the TD. AND he sure sounded like he was all ready to go for 2 for the win too!
Way it goes I know, but yes still stings no matter how I rationalize it all.
-RVM
by rvm on Sep 9, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Same with RVM
I agree with you, but in the thousands of scenarios that ran through Kat’z head before the game, I guarentee that that situation was not one of them.
September 4th, 4:45 PM, ESPN
Is OSU lacking overall "Team Speed"?
What are your opinions of Oregon State’s overall “team speed”? Are they up to par with opposing teams? TCU and Boise State don’t out recruit OSU, but they seem to have much faster players overall. They say that speed kills, and you can’t coach speed. In my opinion, Oregon State’s Defense has been slow for a few years now. BTW, did anyone else notice that ex OSU prized recruit speedster Reggie Dunn is now playing for……Utah??? How did that happen?
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