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Jake jump-started the expectations for the coming season theme, and following is my very early cloudy crystal ball look ahead at the season to come for the Beavers, remarkably already the last one in the too-short (for Beaver fans, not opposing defensive coordinators) career of James Rodgers (r.).

The Holiday Bowl in San Diego, site of coach Mike Riley's pro football excursion between his OSU stints, is one popular post-season destination that Oregon St. hasn't found it's way to yet. But the 2010 season shapes up as the year that streak ends.

The opener against TCU in Dallas is a national stage game on ESPN at Cowboys Stadium that many Beaver believers are looking forward to, even more so than the Rogers brothers, who will be playing in their home state for the first time post-high school.

There is a reason that even OSU teams with experienced quarterbacks have started slow, never mind one with an inexperienced Ryan Katz at the wheel. Plus, the deep, experienced Horned Frogs are one of the better teams the Beavers have ever faced.

Too often Oregon St., as happened especially early last season, will have to turn to Justin Kahut. Kahut will come through, but that will be the problem, and TCU will launch another run to a BCS Bowl with a shootout win with the nation watching.

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Riley and staff will capitalize on a week off, and the Beavers will bounce back with a big win when the Louisville Cardinals fly into Reser for the home opener.

Should Boise St. beat Virginia Tech, and OSU overcome TCU, it could force ESPN Game Day to come to Boise, but I just don't see that materializing. The Broncos can win against the Hokies, but the odds are better that the loss of defensive coordinator Justin Wilcox will be too much to overcome in week one, and both BSU & OSU will be out of the BCS at large race by Labor Day.

It won't matter to Oregon St., though, as if Boise does win in Landover, they will be rolling, knowing the game is a BCS elimination game. If they don't, they will be angry, looking to take it out on a northwest rival, and a Pac-10 target.

Ryan Katz will be emerging as a star, but Kellen Moore already is one. Boise St. is a better team than TCU, though their schedule won't allow the BCS and the country to realize that. Oregon St. will find out though, and the Broncos' incredible record on the blue turf will be extended.

Oregon St. will bounce back again, and former coach Dennis Erickson's visit back to Corvallis will end worse than the last one did. The unsettled Arizona St. offense can't keep pace with the OSU offense, and the Beavers will get the Pac-10 race off to a good start at the Sun Devils' expense.

The next two weeks will actually be the most critical of the season, with trips to Tucson and Seattle. Both games will be winnable, but also extremely losable. Remember, Arizona upended OSU last year in Corvallis, and the desert heat will be a big factor in this one. And Washington, with Jake Locker looking for the Heisman, will be looking for revenge for what has become a long string of Beaver wins.

Expect a knock-down, drag out affair with the Wildcats, reminiscent of both the Beavers' trip to Tucson two years ago, and the Oregon-Arizona game last season. But coach Mike Stoops and the Wildcats have too much upheaval in the ranks of their coordinators, and will take a step back defensively, a bad combination when facing the Rodgers brothers. Oregon St. continues the state's recent run of success in the desert.

Husky Stadium will be rocking when the Beavers roll into town, and packed with Washington fans thinking Rose Bowl, and talking about all the weapons at Locker's disposal. The Huskies do have the speed in their secondary to stay with Oregon St.'s fleet of receivers most of the time. But a time or two, they will lose someone. Also, Washington's lines, though much improved, are both still a step slow, and not deep.

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The win will be contingent on the OSU offensive line playing at the top of their game, but if they do, talk of roses will be dampened in Seattle. And 'Quizz will remind all who the best player in the northwest is.

The back to back battles on the road would ordinarily spell doom, but the schedule provides another timely bye before Cal comes to town for Homecoming, and Riley will again leverage the extra preparation time. Cal hasn't had a good time up here, or against OSU anywhere, of late, and they are a player or two away on both sides of the ball. The Bears will have had more than enough of the Beavers by the time Halloween eve ends.

The trip to the Rose Bowl will be another game that goes a lot like it did two years ago, with Rick Neuheisel's improved Bruins giving the Beavers all they can handle for a while. But as happened the week before against the other Bears, offensively challenged UCLA won't put enough points on the board, and OSU will head home with the win.

Washington St. will walk into a buzzsaw on Dad's weekend, and the Cougars will take yet another lopsided beatdown from OSU, kept closer than it would be only because Riley will get a lot of reserves in, trying to avoid wear and tear headed for the home stretch.

The visit from bowl ineligible USC so late in the season is one of the toughest games to predict all year, as it is hard to anticipate the impact of injuries, and possibly unexpected game outcomes, on both teams. On the one hand, the Trojans have had just a terrible time in the Willamette Valley, and new coach Lane Kiffen has yet to inspire confidence in his ability to successfully manage adversity week in and week out.

On the other hand, USC still has the most talent of anyone on the schedule. And when the current Beaver defense has matched up with arguably superior athletes (see last year's Cincinnati, USC, and Oregon games), they haven't been able to get off the field in the late going, and give their offense a chance to win the game. And how long can the Trojan losing streak in the valley last?

It's possible the season may have gotten away from USC by late November, but I can't shake the feeling that the most likely way for OSU to win this one will be if they have also already stumbled, probably in Tucson or Seattle, and are in "fight back mode." Recent history has shown the Pac-10 to be too tough to carry an unbeaten record past Thanksgiving, and one, or even two, conference losses is more likely.

The last time Oregon St. visited Palo Alto, in August of 2008, the Beavers blew a winnable game, and a Rose Bowl trip, and it could happen again. Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh will have had ample time to adjust the Cardinal to life after Toby Gerhart. Also, remember what Andrew Luck did to Oregon last year.

Add in that it is a road trip on a distracting Thanksgiving week, after a highly draining effort against USC, and probably the smallest crowd of supporters all season, and you have the biggest chance of the year for a flat performance by the Beavers.

This is where senior leadership will need to come forward, and obviously it won't come from Katz. Unlike Jacquizz, who can talk the walk as well as he can run it, elder brother James Rodgers does most of his talking with his performances. This will be the week he adds an element of maturity to his resume. And also a huge kick return. Beavers find a way, setting up a third straight Civil War with a Rose Bowl trip on the line. Count on the fact that Oregon has to travel to both Cal and USC, houses of horrors for them of late, to keep the Pac-10 race unsettled going into December.

This time the Civil War is back in Corvallis, and after two straight Duck wins, Reser will be rocking. Oregon coach Chip Kelley seems to have the Oregon St. defense figured out though (remember, he was the offensive coordinator two years ago that produced the most points ever in a Civil War), and by then, the Duck passing game will again be clicking well enough to compliment the multi-threat Oregon running game.


LeGarrett Blount was a tremendous change of pace, first to Jeremiah Johnson, and then to LaMichael James, the last two years, for the Oregon offense. He's gone, but James still has Kenjon Barner as a sidekick, and together, they make the Ducks the most difficult rushing attack to contend with in the Pac-10.

Oregon's defense is most vulnerable to great quarterback performances (see last year's Stanford and Ohio St. games), and Katz to James Rodgers, Marcus Wheaton, Joe Halahuni, Jordan Bishop, and Darrell Catchings will be the key to an OSU win, not ‘Quizz, if it is to happen. Teams breaking in inexperienced quarterbacks rarely win the Pac-10, and Katz won't be able to buck the trend.

The Duck starters are the most talented in the conference, and will earn another Rose Bowl trip. With two, or possibly three conference losses, and at least four overall, the Beavers' brutal schedule will see them passed over for the Alamo Bowl, but the Holiday Bowl will prove to be a nice way to spend the week between the holidays. Hopefully, Riley can do a bit better in his return to San Diego than in his first venture there.

Andy_Wooldridge@yahoo.com

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As much as I hate to say it

I do have to agree with the above expectations being the most reasonable chain of events, but I will still definitely be disappointed with anything less than a rose bowl berth.

by BeaverBeliever12 on Jul 12, 2010 11:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Alamo Bowl?

I thought that didn’t start until 2011?

by sangdorange on Jul 13, 2010 9:51 AM PDT reply actions  

The Alamo Bowl

becomes a Pac-10 Bowl after this season. This change was in place before any of the conference realignment started.

Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
BuildingTheDam.Com
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by AndyPanda on Jul 13, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right...

So we couldn’t get passed over for it this year.

by sangdorange on Jul 13, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, we can

The Alamo Bowl, played AFTER this season, on Dec. 29, 2010, gets the first pick of Pac-10 teams after the BCS bowls.

Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
BuildingTheDam.Com
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Jul 13, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the confusion lies in that sangdorange is reading what you wrote in response as that he sees any bowl we go to after the regular season as being part of the 2010 season for it goes in as part of the overall record and results.

“After this season” implies, in one reading, being after both the regular season and whatever bowl game the team goes to and = 2011.

-RVM

by rvm on Jul 13, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

That’s exactly what was getting me. Thanks for articulating it for me, rvm!

And grats to Andy and Jake for both being linked on OLive today. :)

by sangdorange on Jul 13, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was a little confused too but on the side that I thought the Alamo Bowl was Pac-10 this year and you both seemed to be saying it wasn’t, but then Andy said it was and you said now…and so on!

Anyway, congrats also to the guys!

-RVM

by rvm on Jul 13, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

BtD’s gotten regular linkage from O-Live AND Ted Miller. Movin’ on up, bitches!

by ArbyOSU on Jul 15, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

LeGarrett Blount was a tremendous change of pace, first to Jonathan Stewart, and then to LaMichael James, the last two years, for the Oregon offense.

LeGarrett Blount never played with Jonathan Stewart. He was change of back to Jeremiah Johnson, and in the year after that, he only saw game time against Boise State, Oregon State, and Ohio State.

Oregon’s defense is most vulnerable to great quarterback performances (see last year’s Stanford and Ohio St. games), and Katz to James Rogers, Marcus Wheaton, Joe Halahuni, Jordan Bishop, and Darrell Catchings will be the key to an OSU win, not ‘Quizz, if it is to happen. Teams breaking in inexperienced quarterbacks rarely win the Pac-10, and Katz won’t be able to buck the trend.

I think you’re dead right on this. It is going to be interesting to see the Stanford game this year. They beat us because they had a balanced attack. Gerhart would tear us apart, and just as we slowed him down, we’d get torched in the air, then vice versa.

But with that said, James Rodgers is the best receiver in the Pac-10, and he scares me the most out of all OSU players.

it’s spelled "S-H-U-F-E-L-T-A-L-I-T-T-L-E-H-O-S-T-I-L-E"

by JShufelt on Jul 16, 2010 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I would never...

Write a UO win over OSU and never could. I’m too much of a fan. I would EXPECT a Rose Bowl this year. Anything less is not progress. We have come 1 game from the Roses the past two seasons, it’s time to quit settling and get over the hump. I expect OSU to be competitive in every game this year. I think OSU will win one of their two big preseason games, either TCU or BSU, and have no reason to lose any PAC-10 game. Will they? Probably, but they are good enough to win them all.

by Esh on Jul 20, 2010 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I share your sentiments
it’s time to quit settling and get over the hump. I expect OSU to be competitive in every game this year.

Yep, I’m thinking anything less than a BCS bowl this year will really should be seen as a disappointment for how this program is now set up itself up with Mike Riley coaching.

I’ll also add in that all the talk about Katz and his inexperience is true enough, but will say that if he can’t step in and fill the QB position in a program that has established itself on the verge of the Pac-10 championship he shouldn’t even be taken seriously as our QB. Just like with the entire team we can’t settle on “building” in a new QB over the next couple years, we need people who can fill the main skill positions and win now, not later. Some adjustment is to be expected for him, but he needs to come in and either win or keep the team in position to have a chance to win (as in not be the main reason for losing games).

Plus I personally feel the Beavs sneaked up on the Pac-10 in 2008 with their run and even did a little bit in 2009, but will not have this luxury in 2010 for I think other Pac-10 teams will be ready to play one of the key teams to beat in conference play. So the Beavs better be ready to take up this role in how they respond to the challenge.

-RVM

by rvm on Jul 20, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

He might have a bad year

But that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be taken seriously as a QB. Anderson, Moore, and Canfield all had rough starts to their careers at Oregon State and ended up being NFL QB’s. Riley’s system takes a little time to get used to, so I don’t think we should pull the Vaz lever until AT LEAST the last few games of the season.

I Hate Your Ducks

by ConnorOSU on Jul 20, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sort of my point, sort of not

I’m totally against the quick pull the QB from the line-up and Katz in my opinion should play the whole season, and yes there will be a tough adjustment for him, but where the program is now we need to EXPECT to have QBs who can step in and not lose too much is my main point. Especially with one of the better WR and TE crews we may have had at OSU, and very much one of the best WR/players in James Rodgers. For James’ senior season I think it will be pretty disappointing if the Beavs don’t at least get in position again to win the conference.

Mainly I’m just thinking along the lines of Esh above and we can’t just keep settling for second or third or so on best. I personally think with last year the OSU football has taken the full turn with Mike Riley and now expectations need to be that the team is fully in the mix for Pac-10 championships and BCS spots.

And right now I’m proud of what Anderson and Moore have done as pros, BUT personally I care much much much more about what they did for OSU. Anderson led teams underachieved for the level of talent they had in place, including Derek’s own talent, and we kept saying ok the program is building and so on.

IMO Canfield got the team to the turning point, and even though he was slow starting last season he still is the perfect example of what I meant by: “but he needs to come in and either win or keep the team in position to have a chance to win (as in not be the main reason for losing games).” For in 2009 the Beavs indeed competed in EVERY regular season game and had chances to win every game except for the bowl game.

I don’t want to settle for any steps backwards. Will I bail on the team and Katz if they do go backwards? No way, but I will be very disappointed.

-RVM

by rvm on Jul 20, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally expect us to be contending for a Rose Bowl

It just might be tougher than in past years since this is Katz’s first year as a starter.

I Hate Your Ducks

by ConnorOSU on Jul 20, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then I'll be semi-nongrumpy this fall! :)

I have to admit I do expect a good deal out of the young man.

BUT you are correct that QBs do seem to start out having a fairly big learning curve with Riley’s system, but once they get going they can really thrive in the system. I just expect a better year than last year and yes it will be tough and not only for a new QB, schedule is going to be a big factor too.

But yes I expect the team to be contending for, and I would even say indeed playing in, the Rose Bowl this year. I don’t think we should expect any less. From the impressions I am gathering the OSU athletic program doesn’t!

-RVM

by rvm on Jul 20, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes!

Finally got it out of you!

Late July is my favorite time of year. Media Days are starting up and Fall Camp is also near. You can expect many Prediction Posts in the next few weeks.

I Hate Your Ducks

by ConnorOSU on Jul 20, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's just a prediction, it doesn't have anything to do with being a fan

And we can still make progress without going to a Rose Bowl. Our team might be better, but so is the rest of the Pac-10.

I Hate Your Ducks

by ConnorOSU on Jul 20, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't confuse hopes with expectations

Oregon St. should contend for the Rose Bowl, even if they ultimately don’t get there, this year. Fortunately, so long as injuries or demoralization doesn’t result, the results against TCU and BSU aren’t relevant to the Rose Bowl race, just all the other bowls.

This could well be the year the inexperienced quarterback curse is broken, as Oregon and Oregon St. are the two top contenders to win the conference, especially with USC ineligible, and both will have a guy with at least a couple of years in the program, but very limited experience at QB.

Washington and Stanford are probably the next two, and that’s mostly due to having experienced QBs already ticketed for the NFL.

Hopes and potential do have to be tempered by years of experience, here and around the conference, that shows repeatedly that even ultimately great QBs usually do get out-played at some critical point early in their starting careers in this conference.

I agree with the notion that exclusive of health problems or just horrendous results, Ryan Katz should not be pulled quickly, as he will need some time. Last year, a third of the way thru the season, there was considerable division of opinion about whether to pull Sean Canfield, but that’s because there was a proven commodity in Lyle Moevao as an alternative, at least until he got hurt. That’s not the case this year.

I do see one of the critical decisions Mike Riley will have to make if Katz doesn’t excel by mid-season will be what to do, as the comments above about the program being at the level where the expectation that a quarterback should be able to step in, and step up fairly quickly, are accurate.

We have established a pattern of good quarterbacks, and so the QBs coming here should understand that they can succeed, but also that if they do come here, the understanding is that they indeed are capable of succeeding. Katz, Cody Vaz, and Jack Lomax all should be able to handle the job.

The good news (for Beaver fans, not so much for others around the conference) is that a decent bowl should be the floor with this group, and there should be some great football to watch, on par with any team in the country this year. And a good floor to work from for what we can reasonably hope could be a spectacular season.

Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
BuildingTheDam.Com
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Jul 21, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

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