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Game 20 Recap: Beavers Bounce Back, Take Trojans 51-45

Final Score: Oregon State 51, USC 45

Last year, it was a home upset over USC that turned the season around for Oregon St., and Thursday night's 51-45 comeback Beaver win over the Trojans had a lot of similarities, just when OSU needed it.

Once again Oregon St. fell behind early, as USC opened the game with four offensive rebounds on the first possession, and an 8-1 spurt. But the Beavers survived, by starting their comeback sooner, and before they fell so far back. The largest deficit was ten points halfway thru the first half, but when the Trojans left a ball rolling around unattended, Josh Tarver scooped and swooped for a crowd arousing dunk to cut the deficit to five points. Seth Tarver's basket capped a 16-6 OSU run that tied the game with 3:18 left.

The Trojans pulled back ahead by five points, taking a 27-22 lead to the locker room, but the foul trouble that made a big difference was already adding up. The Trojans' Alex Stephenson had his third foul with just under two minutes left in the first half, and got his fourth foul with over nine minutes left in the game.

Marcus Johnson opened the second half by extending the USC lead to seven, but that was as far ahead as the Trojans would get.

Calvin Haynes answered with a pair of free throws, and the OSU rally was on. Roeland Schaftenaar gave the Beavers the lead for good with a layup for a 35-34 lead with 11:30 left, and a Haynes jumper pushed the Oregon St. lead to seven points with just under seven minutes left.

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Haynes went on to high scoring honors, with 25 points, and Schaftenaar was also in double digits, with 10 points. Nikola Vucevic led USC with 12 only points.

"Yeah, it's just a rhythm and working I guess," Haynes said. "I've been working hard in practice, everyone has. I feel like the team is starting to click more. They're looking for me, so it's not just me trying to go out and score 25. That's not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to help my team win. So, if scoring 25 and finding open shots and making free throws helps us win, then I'm happy with that."

But more important than the points or rebounds Schaftenaar tallied was the way he played. Roe looked like he meant business, almost mad at times, and his intensity spilled over to the rest of the team.

Defense was the difference, as Oregon St.'s trapping defense had 10 steals, and the Beavers scored 22 points off turnovers, the same formula that upset USC the last time they visited Corvallis. The Trojans were over their season turnover average with 11 minutes left, and eventually lost the ball 19 times.

But more than that, Oregon St. managed to make USC play the game in their style. Much of the game, it was necessary to check the jerseys to determine which team was which. The Trojans' 2-3 zone defense allowed Oregon St. to play at their preferred pace, though, and USC struggled to solve the Beavers' defense all night long. And OSU, being much more familiar with the style of play, was much the better at it that the Trojans, normally more a man-to-man, up and down the floor type of team.

USC coach Kevin O'Neill observed "The 1-3-1 defense produces half court pressure, and we're not good against half court anything, unfortunately. We turned it over a few too many times. We had plenty of chances. Dwight (Lewis) and Marcus (Johnson) go 2 for 12, and 4 for 14. It's hard to win like that. We had several stops at the end where we gave a couple of offensive rebounds and baskets that ultimately cost us the game. What can you say? It's unfortunate.

Oregon St. coach Craig Robinson was satisfied with the defensive struggle.

"I thought our guys were tough today. It has been a long time coming, and it was just a fun thing to see. I thought it would be a shame not to play well after the hard week we had this week. Every single one of these guys, even the ones who didn't play in the game, helped us win this game, by portraying USC, and the way that they play. I thought our 1-3-1 was fantastic. It looked long, it looked like you couldn't see passing angles, and so I am really happy."

Oregon St. made only 15 shots from the field, and only six in the first half, but was 18 of 24 at the line, including six of eight in the final three minutes. Haynes had the honor of the last two for the final six point margin.

Jared Cunningham wasn't able to duplicate his impressive performances of last week in the bay area, but did bring an energy level to the defense early that the stat sheet doesn't show. Cunningham's minutes were curbed in part by a pair of early charging fouls. The freshman would do well to copy one thing from Haynes, the pull-up mid-range jumper. We can debate the validity of the calls, but one thing everyone can agree on is if you can take the Pac-10 officials out of the equation, there won't be anything to debate. And with the way Cunningham drives, the ability to let the defense move past while elevating for an open look can lead to easier baskets than banging into big bodies.

The game also featured an appearance by Calvin Hampton, who had almost disappeared off the end of the bench of late.

Oregon St. improved to 9-11, and 3-5 in the Pac-10, while USC dropped to 12-8, and is one of five teams tied with 4-4 conference marks. Coupled with Oregon's 71-66 win in overtime over UCLA, the Beavers are tied with Washington and Oregon for eighth thru tenth in the Pac-10, but the three northwest teams are only two games out of second place heading into Saturday's action that will conclude the first half of the conference race. UCLA is another of those teams in the 4-4 logjam, and the Beavers can pass the Bruins (with the tiebreaker) with a win in the 4:30 game to be televised as both of tonight's games in the valley were by Fox Sports Northwest.

 

Andy_Wooldridge@yahoo.com

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Great win for the Beavers

It was my first game at Gill this season, so I’ll have my complete thoughts up later.

Go Beavs!

Jeremiah Mac-Stole-I

by ConnorOSU on Jan 29, 2010 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

Again, my theme is one down

With this win I want the next two even more. It would be so cool if the Beavs could go 3 and 0 over this home stand this and next week.

Oh, hate to say it but Cunningham did charge on those two calls. I’m totally in the camp that blames him (and coaching) on those calls, he needs to not expect the calls to go his way. If he plays more under control he should start getting more calls going his way because the defense will be second guessing his moves much more. And totally agree here:

And with the way Cunningham drives, the ability to let the defense move past while elevating for an open look can lead to easier baskets than banging into big bodies.

He’ll learn though AND I don’t really mind all that much since he is being aggressive and that will pay dividends when the defense has to adjust for not only the needed pull up shots we all talk about but also his drives will open up other players for clear looks (now we need Seth Tarver to hit more of those clean looks!).

Plus that is how a team should play, with Cunningham on the bench and J. Tarver coming off the bench and lighting a couple key sparks with the steal/slam and 3-pointer. Gasp! I almost think we looked to have more depth than SC did last night!

I will say though that Roeland did not look all that good in the first half and looked flat-footed and slow again, but something finally happened and got him going (a little more) and with him in double digits and stepping up rebounding made the difference IMO, but honestly I still expect more from him. BUT overall I think that Roeland’s second half play really opened it up for Calvin.

I liked Robinson’s player rotation last night, seemed to work very well.

Again, good game, not a great one, but a W is a W and I’m very happy.

-RVM

by rvm on Jan 29, 2010 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

Ken Bone characterized Gill last night...

as a building with no energy in it. He wasn’t trying to stir anything up, just contrasting it with what has been the norm of late at Hec Ed. This despite that UW is tied with OSU, so the difference can’t be attributed to current wins.

At controversial and key moments, it seemed to me that wasn’t the case, but at times, it probably did seem that way, when game pace slowed.

FSN it seemed to me tried hard to convey the energy and atmosphere, which usually is highest from the student section and the band, yet the atmosphere still seemed less than overwhelming.

The building was 2/3 sold, but not quite that highly attended, due in part to the continuing bad-looking poor attendance by the sold-out season ticket section visible behind the benches.

Taking our orange-colored glasses off, and trying to be totally objective, how much of a factor was the crowd, and how much more of a factor could they have been?

There are a several factors at work here, one being the early start date that kept a lot of the working class away, but more so, the size of the mostly older no-energy segment of the fan base, and the people who have those visible seats, but don’t care enough to fill them.

What can be done to take Gill atmosphere to the next level?

Does OSU need a season ticket resale program to fill the sold, but empty on camera (and in ear shot of the opponents and the court level microphones) seats?

And what can be done about the “movie theater set” fans that show up, but don’t seem to care enough to clap, much less cheer?

Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Jan 29, 2010 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

Put a winning team in there
What can be done to take Gill atmosphere to the next level?

Sorry to be flippant but I’m actually being pretty darn serious.

Oh, and yes 5:30 Thursday start times are not the best times. I will be interested to see how it goes Saturday, and yes personally I’m hoping for some energy and yes personally I was disappointed by what seemed to be a good amount of empty seats last night, but…

Overall I think you are putting a bit too much back on the fans here. I think they are important to this “equation,” don’t get me wrong, but losing at home to a team like Seattle U by 51 points does nothing to making the on the fence fan come out and raise the roof with noise.

-RVM

by rvm on Jan 29, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

To be less flippant

This is going to take some time too, and consider that attendance has actually increased over last year.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/pac10/2010/01/pac-10_basketball_conference_a.html

Yes, +75 ain’t really that much, but consider that UW only has +23 and then the next is Stanford at -294.

Now, yes increasing the bodies in there does not necessarily increase the energy, but it will be one component of the larger picture. Get more in there, the team wins games, and so on it will start to work itself out. Those season ticket holders will be much more likely to continue to come to games if the team is winning, or at least competing.

Not sure this is an “answer” for I still think it really is going to come down to the team that is in there and the stakes of the games being played. When I went to the CW game last year the energy was very high and it wasn’t full but well attended. And when I went to games in the Ralph Miller years Gill was a place to be feared coming in.

-RVM

by rvm on Jan 29, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

And to compare us to UW seems a bit silly IMO, UW won the Pac-10 last year and has established a winning tradition recently with very dynamic players and a long-standing head coach. OSU current tradition is not anywhere close.

-RVM

by rvm on Jan 29, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

How to Fill Gill In 3 Easy Steps:

Step 1: Win games.

Step 2: Don’t make people watch Daniel Deane try to play basketball. Win games.

Step 3: Have your brother-in-law urge Congress to pass a stimulus bill funding free health care AND Beaver basketball tickets to every U.S. citizen. If Congress can’t muster the votes, Executive Order it through. Win games.

Problem solved.

Dominic's Fridge is where great fudge bars go to die.

by The Orange Joe on Jan 29, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't dis Deane

He’ll kill you.

Jeremiah Mac-Stole-I

by ConnorOSU on Jan 29, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

The thing about Deane is at least he was bringing effort to the floor when others on the team looked like they would rather be watching the football team lose in Las Vegas than actually playing basketball. You have to give it up for him a little people.

Oh, and yes it is about winning.

-RVM

by rvm on Jan 30, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m not blaming Deane for not being good
at basketball. He really is working his tail off.
My point is this: we should not have to use him.
The onus for his getting time is on the other guys,
the guys who are just better athletes. The fact
that Robinson would rather have him on the
floor than them is embarrassing to them, not
Deane.

Dominic's Fridge is where great fudge bars go to die.

by The Orange Joe on Jan 30, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, I understand, I just have to give Deane some credit this year, he was actually an important component to that win in Eugene this year. Like you I wish others would leave it on the court like he has this year, might have gone (go) a long way to a better season.

-RVM

by rvm on Jan 30, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Word. Anyone can play hard. And when
you are and know you are the lesser talented
team? …You have no excuse for lack of
effort. See: Stanford game. But I liked what
I saw Thursday night. Especially the effort
from Roe.

Dominic's Fridge is where great fudge bars go to die.

by The Orange Joe on Jan 30, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Ken Bone is an idiot

Why the fuck would you say something like that? Seriously, what the hell is the point with that? How did it feel to coach in the 1,500 seat Stott Center for four years? How was the atmosphere there? The guy needs to think before he speaks. I hope someone in the Beaver Dam prints out the quotes and places them on every fucking seat when Wazzu comes to town.

Jeremiah Mac-Stole-I

by ConnorOSU on Jan 29, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

The crowd will never be that big of a factor at Gill

Unless we start winning games and getting the students into it. The crowd isn’t a factor unless the student section is packed from shoulder to shoulder. They need to be jumping up and down on every play, screaming OOOOOOOOOOOOOO! They need to have organized chants, and they need to be responsible for getting the rest of the crowd into the game. Some Student Sections that come to mind:

The Dawg Pound-Washington
The Kennel Club-Gonzaga
The Pit Crew-Oregon
The Cameron Crazies-Duke

Those guys have an effect on the game for the exact reasons I posted above. Most student sections have “dirt” guides that inclue chants and nasty things to say about opposing players. Yesterday I went down to the court and picked up ours. The only thing it had were the rosters and Oregon State’s Basketball “Traditions”. It was the lamest thing I’ve ever read.

Jeremiah Mac-Stole-I

by ConnorOSU on Jan 29, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Putting a winning team in Gill

should help, though declining attendance this year at Reser would seem to contradict that.

But the issue gets to how to put a winning team in there.

We all know winning depends heavily on the quality of student/athlete you can recruit, and atmosphere is a factor.

Atmosphere is a factor in TV decisions, which equals dollars, and we all know dollars pave the way for recruiting, road winning, and all sorts of things.

And winning close games obviously moves you to a more-winning record.

I also contrasted some of the recent Gill crowds with Mac Court, and there certainly hasn’t been a lot of wins there in the last couple of seasons.

Craig Robinson continually talks about how much his team needs fan help to win. Mike Riley and LaVonda Wagner never overlook the importance of the the fans either.

Yet Bone, whom I like and respect, made a good point I thought, and so the thrust is more about what steps can be taken to help move this program, and all of them, more towards more wins, rather than waiting for the teams to win, and (only) then getting excited about it.

The coaches, the players, and a lot of students, are already working hard toward everyone’s desired goal of more wins. To me, this questions is more about what can the rest of us do to more effectively help the program reach that goal.

Because at the moment, coming to Corvallis isn’t as daunting for opponents as it could be. Therefore, it tips the scales a bit in their direction, and unnecessarily so.

Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Jan 29, 2010 12:27 PM PST reply actions  

Totally

These are the challenges. And you are very much correct.

Again for the Ducks I fall back on what I said about the Huskies, even though the last couple seasons have been poor for the Ducks (look at their attendance numbers for basketball on that chart) they still have established a tradition with a coach who has proven in the past he can win if he has the right players and he has some VERY good and dynamic ones.

I totally am there with you and Coach Robinson about the fans, but like he also says about the team they are still very much a work in progress, same expectations (as much as I personally would hope otherwise when I go Saturday) we have to realistically see the building of a strong and energetic fan base as a work in progress. Look at the drop of interest that happens here from football to basketball season.

I still stand by my give-and-take attitude on this. I agree that wait and see can be a problem, but so is losing to Sacramento St. and Seattle U at home.

To try and be more pragmatic I just don’t think there is anything yet to really market with the basketball program. I think the brother in-law thing ran its course and the PR people have backed off that, which is reasonable. But there is no star on the team, Roeland was billed this way and look how that is panning out this season so far. The team never really puts it all together and controls games. So you have a team that doesn’t know who they are, the marketing people don’t know, and as such makes it hard for us the fans to be drawn in and identify with the team. I mean look how much we have gone through back and forth this season on this site and we are the hardcore fans, imagine how abstract it is for the medium and lower core fans? This is why I’m not at all surprised that the Ducks and Huskies still pull in the fans with a high level of energy, they have seen and clearly remember the good days (look again at how many comments they get on their basketball threads or even what we get on our baseball ones versus our basketball threads). The foundation of a tradition is just too far back for us right now.

Catch 22? Hell yes, and notice I have not once even invoked the dreaded ‘E’ word in my comments, which in my opinion explains the football deal but look at the contrast there and even with non-sell outs Reser gets loud (all the time? nah, but much much more than Gill), and again how much interest it generates here.

Personally, I have to be honest I have no idea what more I can do? I can’t afford time or financially season tickets, so I do my part that way as much as me and my family can afford and try to generate as much energy as I can here. But you know I just reach a point and say okay team and coaches you have to do the heavy lifting work and the program needs to establish the reason to get pumped up.

-RVM

by rvm on Jan 29, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, as Jake would describe it, the book length answers! But it something I have been thinking about and think you are hitting upon some very important issues.

-RVM

by rvm on Jan 29, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

For the well involved fan,

such as yourself, I don’t think it’s about doing a lot more. Whether they are the fans that make most of the games, or only a few, due to work, finances, etc., the fans that have a passion are the ones that have helped carry things to the level they are, and all they need to do is keep up the good work. This is where I was directing ideas like ticket reallocation and such. Here, it is about making sure the money being spent, and the time and effort invested, are being leveraged for maximum effect.

The bigger challenges are how to engage the disinterested “fan”, and how to better promote to the perimeter potential fan. These are the ones that could, but aren’t putting things over the top. Some creative thinking is going to be needed in these areas.

As far as the student body, I respectfully disagree somewhat with some of Connor’s comments about the student section. Yes, there is still some progress to be made, but, as he noticed in the second half, the Oregon St. students, band, spirit group, etc., are well ahead of much of Beaver nation. More progress will come automatically as things progress. And I don’t know that they need to be any nastier; we can leave that to the group down the road, as Mike Parker is fond of referring to them.

The fact that the Pac-10 is “down” this year isn’t what is holding them below the “power” conferences, because talent/experience cycles happen everywhere. The difference is partly a matter of perception, and partly real, because some of the little things are allowed to remain a hindrance, instead of being eliminated.

Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Jan 29, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

They were loud and roudy

But you asked if they were being a factor. I don’t think they were.

Jeremiah Mac-Stole-I

by ConnorOSU on Jan 29, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty much agree with what you are saying here.

For the ticket reallocation ideas I’m not sure I have an opinion right now (yeah I know amazing isn’t it).

Overall seems like we are in the same boat about this issue and trying to figure out the next step. I guess I hold to my assertion that at this stage and right now it is up to the program more and to start winning and create that winning tradition. Eliminate the excuses for the on the fence fan to not support the team.

I agree with you about the students and don’t think there is a reason for them to be nasty, but do see that they still need an identity so kind-of a fine line there I guess, but I think they can be loud and a factor without being offensive.

Not sure what you meant by your comments on the Pac-10, but it is Saturday morning and need some breakfast!

-RVM

by rvm on Jan 30, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't want them to be nasty if it means offensive

But just some clever and creative stuff to get the other team off its game. For example, next year when Masoli comes to Reser. Where’s my laptop? Clap-clap-clap-clap-clap.

Stuff like that.

Jeremiah Mac-Stole-I

by ConnorOSU on Jan 30, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I would love to go to every Beaver Football, Basketball, and Baseball game there is.

But the thing is, money isn’t exactly growing on trees for me right now like it used to. I think that’s the problem with many other people as well. And I wouldn’t be that worried, because it’s happening everywhere, not just in Corvallis.

Jeremiah Mac-Stole-I

by ConnorOSU on Jan 29, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

You used to have a money growing tree?!?

by sangdorange on Jan 29, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty cool huh?

Those were the days.

Jeremiah Mac-Stole-I

by ConnorOSU on Jan 29, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

From the USC perspective...

That 1-3-1 zone defense was a bitch.

--Conquest Chronicles, SBNation's USC Trojans blog

by Joey Kaufman on Jan 29, 2010 3:10 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, SC didn’t react well to pressure, which was something their coach had kind’ve thumped his chest about earlier in the week. Papers up here in Portland were running stuff about he said his team welcomed pressure and played better under it.

by ArbyOSU on Jan 29, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

That's true but...

What O’Neill was referring to was that USC responds to pressure well in the full-court setting. Tennessee and UNLV ran full-court man-to-man sets and Gerrity broke them down pretty easily. The half-court trapping zone that OSU runs is a different animal.

--Conquest Chronicles, SBNation's USC Trojans blog

by Joey Kaufman on Jan 29, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

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