I love eating my words
by rvm on Jan 10, 2010 10:01 PM PST
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PrintOkay, I take back a lot of what I complained about in my previous post-Wednesday night comments/thoughts about being complacent and "pampered." Not all mind you since losing like that is still inexcusable in my opinion (yes Connor I agree with you that they deserve to own up to that loss), BUT the Beavs did everything they needed to do to win for the first time since 1993 in Eugene! And I'm more than willing, ecstatic actually, to admit I was wrong to think that. I'm totally proud and excited about that effort tonight. I mean they looked fired up AND under control, we never were behind if I'm not mistaken in that game and that is even more impressive in that space to go up and keep outpacing the Ducks.
I know the MVP was Seth Tarver but HUGE props have to go out to Daniel Deane, he was aggressive on both sides of the ball and made the FTs when needed. Also what up with that coast to coast drive and falling dribble move by Jared Cunningham! He looks better and better with each game.
Great defensive effort too, for against Seattle U the Beavs looked flat-footed and this time around they were flying everywhere and very much disturbed the flow of the Duck offense and especially seem to effect Porter who never got anything going. On the offensive side they had the foot to medal at the very start and then things started to go the other way in terms of calls and scoring, BUT gosh darn did they stay with it and stay aggressive. Roeland looked a bit more himself overall and gave the Beavs the offensive spark there when things were going a bit cold later in the game.
Is it just me or do some of the Duck fans over on ATQ feel entitled that much to have to dog on the team that just beat them? Give us some credit people. Example, your offense stunk because our defense was good tonight. This lack of respect might be a reason many in Beaver Nation always root for your Duck teams to lose. Yes, Dave of ATQ you are one I'm thinking of here, I gave you some benefit of the doubt on my earlier post about how bad the players were on this OSU team for you made some decent points, but come on own up.
I probably could say a lot more but let's just say I'm very very very happy tonight. Have to be 100% honest and say that even if somehow the Ducks came back in that game I would have been impressed, but this is oh so much a better overall feeling! I would have to think this also will prop up the team's confidence and doing it the real way by earning it.
Go Beavs!!!
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I'll come own up
But its not a sense of entitlement to say we lost to a bad team. I mean, come on, you lost to Seattle U by 51. You had a great game, and are to be commended for it, but you can understand why we’d be a little pissed? We lost to a really bad team, your resume shows as much. You guys weren’t exactly thrilled about losing to Seattle U, were you? Do you expect us to sit around singing Kumbayah like we just played Duke tough or something?
That being said, your bad team had a really great night. They played hard and focused against a team that clearly wasn’t ready to take the court tonight. Congratulations on the victory. It was well deserved by the team that came to the game more focused.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
We're not a "really bad" team
We have issues with talent, yes. I understand why you would be pissed, yes.
Losing to Seattle U, yes that pissed us off, BUT I would not have been shocked to lose to them but was more shocked the team folded and just let them run wild. Seattle U is not a “really bad” team either, and we didn’t go out of our way to rip them apart, before, during, or after the game.
The Beavs, as noted, have some talent issues that hold them back at times, which is clear, but that does not make them the “worst college basketball” out there, it just makes it difficult to sustain a season and be a true contender, huge space in the middle and that’s where the Beavs seem to fall this year.
Kumbayah, okay it is funny that many of you all pissed and moaned when we in the past had writers who went off on the Ducks all the time and didn’t give you all the poor old respect you wanted then we get this type of hyperbole and disrespect. I still take offense. We didn’t go on and on about how “bad” or how much we hated certain players on Seattle U. We tried to deconstruct what was going on with OUR team. I try and want to join your community over there but with how you, and others, constantly seem to frame stuff it isn’t going to happen anytime soon, which is ironic since I actually had a blast (except for the losing part) this year at Autzen in the middle of the Duck fans during the CW football game.
If your point was to make me feel kind-of yucky and pissed after a really nice OSU win then you can at least be happy going 1 for 1 for the game, well done!
-RVM
News flash: You're not that good either.
Dear Dave,
The Seattle U loss was a catastrophe, we’ve figured that out at this point in the game. The great thing about basketball is that we still have about 20 games left in the season to improve and get better as a team. Beaver fans are the first to admit that this team has been wildly inconsistent and needs a lot more time to grow. I’d think that a fanbase whose team lost to Montana could relate…?
Plain and simple, the Beavs did what they were supposed to do: outplay and beat your UO team. I know this is a rough sendoff for Mac Court and I know it sucks having your team lose but really, who do you think your ducks are that you make a posting like this?
Sincerely, Deane for Three!
I’ll have give him a bit of credit for I did specifically call him out after reading some of his comments over on the AtQ, but yes I agree with everything you said here and especially your comment above for it was not really the type of reply I expected.
I don’t get this anger towards the Beavs on this one. It is so much worse to get beat by the “horrible” Beavs, fire Kent now!!!! It wasn’t the best played of games in college basketball history but it was actually not a horrible game overall. The Beavs played well and the Ducks did not for a lot of the game, but also the Ducks kept fighting which actually made it a game at times. One thing also is that Duck fans will have to learn a bit that this is the Robinson style of play and pacing and if with a ton of talent my guess is games will still be played this way, I have this feeling he likes to win by defense and disrupting other team’s offensive schemes.
Anyway, I guess I got pissy about it since it was coming from one of the managers of the blog over there. But even dvieira seems to be getting into the act a bit: “This game was not about what Oregon State did, it was what we didn’t do.” I get it that the Ducks did not play up to expectations, but OSU did execute very well what they were after and played aggressive and in position and hounded the Ducks on defense. Now don’t get me all wrong and that the Beavs have turned this magical corner and are now some Pac-10 title worthy team and this game was as high quality as the CW football game or something, but they did play well and one has to give it up a bit IMO. Okay, that all vented, I know though we all get this way, for we didn’t give Seattle U all that much credit, but they did come out and hang with the Beavs and then when the Beavs got back on their heels took it to us big time and kept it going without their big time star, so a good deal of credit does go to Seattle U for stepping up (I actually think that AndyPanda gave Seattle U some good props).
-RVM
c'mon rvm
other than saying that we lost to a bad team, what did I say that was so horrible. I wasn’t the one saying we should fire our coach for it, I was the one defending him.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jan 11, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
“We just lost to the worse college team” out there was one I read on the board, that kind-of stuff was the theme of some of the comments, then coming here and saying how “bad” we are, weren’t you the one who got on axeman about coming to another team’s blog and dogging on them after a loss? Seems a bit obnoxious to also come here and try to sound all objective about how “bad” we are after we will too, just my opinion.
-RVM
to be fair
the only reason I posted anything on here was because you called me out. Its not like I came over here with the intention of being obnoxious.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jan 11, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Well, to be a bit fair on my side
You did imply this all in my earlier post that I did specifically posed to BtD people, but I yes I did count you as a BtD reader and thought you had some good points. But will say you did seem to get your jabs there too.
I just think that you could frame things a bit differently, and I was just disappointed for I actually thought about joining your discussion about the game on AtQ for once. Yes it is your house to say whatever you want, but it is a bit unwelcoming a lot of the time for some of us at BtD.
I do appreciate that you came here and defending my call out though, and I also do stand by all I’ve said.
-RVM
Okay guys, look
I see your point. I see where this can look worse than it was intended to be. Forgive me for that, we were kind of pissed last night.
I stand by OSU being a pretty bad team. What made it frustrating is that it was our moment to realize that we’re still a pretty bad team, too. We thought we had turned a corner, maybe could compete for a conference championship in a down year, and then lost a game that you can’t lose to be in that class. It was a wake up call that we are still one of the have nots.
I gave OSU credit for the win. They were more focused. They were the team that was ready to play. They took it to Oregon and didn’t give it back. Oregon State did what they needed to do to win the game, Oregon didn’t. I haven’t tried to take that away from you.
And I guess that’s why I don’t get the criticism, here. You call it a bottom feeder post. Was it a bit of a backhanded compliment—sure, but it was also honest. You know it was the same thing you were thinking when you lost to Seattle. Now, I’m not saying that losing to you is the same as losing to Seattle—that fluky result aside, you have way more talent then they do—but still a game that we thought we should have won. And, really, I hope its fun for you for us to have to eat it like this. That’s what a rivalry is all about.
I basically have different expectations for the CW depending on the sport. In basketball, I expect to win, in baseball, I expect to get crushed, and in football, I expect it to be a close game that could go either way. That pretty much plays out most of the time. But in the last few years, our basketball program has clearly eroded, while yours finally appears to be on the upswing. But nethier one of us are in a great place right now.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
by David Piper on Jan 11, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, and that is what I meant by “entitled” that you expect to win and when you don’t there is a bit of how bad it all must be since you lost to some sort of “really bad” team. You guys have improved and should be proud of the fact, you have come from being in the cellar all season long to front runner in the Pac-10 right now. Sure the Pac is done but who cares improving comes slowly sometimes (yes I know I’m a Beaver fan and I have to think this way!), but dogging the heck out of the other team’s skill and talent seems a bit underneath you and your team’s improvement.
-RVM
And with that, I'm done here on the subject
I never came here to be obnoxious, and I think that my record over the last several years on Beaver relations speaks for itself.
Enjoy the win—your kids really did play very well. See you next month in Corvallis.
--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog
Thank you for the clarification and for owning your heat-of-the-moment douchery. It happens to the best of us--even CV 3000.
My only real problems with your post(s) were:
-The false sense of superiority, as if your team isn’t the returning last place team from the PAC 10. The State of Washington sweep was great, but come on, you got a ways to go before you’re “back”…
-The slighting of our team, as if the only reason OSU won was because the ducks poor play allowed it. It’s called defense, and while it’s not pretty, it “won the day” last night.
-The fact that in your first post you called the Beavers a “really bad team”… whether there’s truth to that or not, I’m just curious how this would go over if I went on AtQ and told you that you had a really bad team if the tables were turned…?
Anyway, I hope this anomalous post is just that—an isolate incident of Dave experiencing some acid reflux from all those sour grapes… GO BEAVERS.
Bottom line is this:
When one team has Calvin Haynes and the other team has Tujuan Porter you might as well throw a dart at a board to predict the game. Those two guys define inconsistency.
Wow, ain't that the truth
And how about adding inconsistent in a wild extreme way. Hot and cold might not even define what those two go through at times!
-RVM
Porter was great when he had Brooks but has never been the same since. Without a real go to guy to defer to he’s just an undersized guard that’s streaky from outside. And he’s a horrible judge of his own abilities as a slasher on offense. How many times was he blocked or had his shot altered?
quite a few times he got blocked,
although he did draw a few key fouls. He is like a JR Smith or Nate Robinson type. When they are on they are on. Unafraid to hod the ball or take a shot 4 feet behind the arc. Tujuan is really short too, I would guess 5’5" at most. I am sure playing alongside Brooks would help anyone. At least Haynes waits until late in the clock to chuck a shot. Every team needs a guy that can just chuck it but they shouldn’t be your first option.
Oh, and a little different question
What was up between Haynes and Schaftenaar there in the second half and setting up the offense? Roeland kept waving Calvin off and Calvin seemed to get a bit pissed off about it all.
-RVM
I didn't notice that so much.
Then again I was behind the other hoop so that was the far end during the second half. I don’t think anyone was mad or anything like that I just think the spacing was a little off. A couple of times it seemed like guys were out of position to swing the ball around the arc like we do in the Princeton.
Seemed a bit fleeting
Just like on maybe one possession, it looked interesting on TV, but they must have got it sorted out so not a big deal. I was just curious.
-RVM
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