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Can We Put the QB "Controversy" To Bed?

Having snatched defeat from the jaws of victory for the second straight week, the Oregon State Beavers have a couple of key issues to address, issues so significant a lot of other ones become secondary no matter their importance.

Having lost their sixth consecutive Pac-10 opener, the tough one isn't, in my view, the one at quarterback, but more on that in a moment.

It's the lack of pressure on opposing quarterbacks that is making a UNLV backup and a first-game starter for Arizona in Nick Foles hard to distinguish from Cincinnati's Tony Pike.

This will be the hard one to solve to, because it is apparent that Ben Terry, Kevin Frahm, and Gabe Miller and Matt LaGrone, are busting their tails, giving their all every down. They are the best the Beavers have to offer on the edges. Unfortunately, it has also become apparent that they do not have the strength and ability, be it by swim moves, rips, bull rushes, or whatever, to dis-engage themselves from Division I grade offensive linemen, and get upfield with any consistency.

Arizona's offensive tackles, 6'5 320 lb. Mike Diaz and 6'6 325 lb. Adam Grant are admittedly monsters, but that's the industry standard any set of defensive ends must escape and defeat.

Much more so than problems in the secondary, the absence of sacks (Oregon State is worst in the country at getting the opposing QB down), or even serious pressure on the quarterback, is what has caused the Beavers' depressing defensive numbers.

And with a group of defensive ends physically caught in between really strong and really fast, finding a solution will tax defensive line coach Joe Seumalo and defensive coordinator Mark Banker to the limit, as they have limited options. The solution will have to come as much from other areas as from the area with the primary problem.

Statistics don't lie, but they can allow one to mislead themselves. Because, despite their poor total defense and pass defense numbers, the Beaver defense has still had the team in position to contend for the win the last two weeks. What proved to be the winning touchdown came while linebacker Keaton Kristick was out, and thru holes Kristick usually closed.

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Despite, and after giving up this early touchdown, Oregon State's James Dockery's defense improved as the game progressed, and made a couple of key plays in the second half.

 

Which leads to the issue Oregon State can choose to try to do something about.

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It's been unpopular in some circles outside Portland to pressure for a change at quarterback from Sean Canfield to Lyle Moevao, and yesterday's statistics could be used to continue to argue against a change. Sean threw for more than 300 yards, and leads the Pac-10 in passing yardage and completions.

But those stats could mislead one to believe things are working well enough offensively. Those stats also do not, and should not negate the overriding problem of poor decisions at key times.

At key moments, with the game at stake, of all possible choices available, Canfield made possibly the worst choice possible, resulting in sacks and interceptions. While opposing quarterbacks are turning similar situations into big plays, by making the right decisions.

 

It is difficult to call for the replacement of Canfield, someone everyone, myself and his backup included, really, really want to see succeed. However, the cause of the problems are not only predictable, they are the same issues that were most distressing years ago, in his first appearances.

Locking in on receivers leads to interceptions, and in both of yesterday's picks, it was apparent to everyone, including the Wildcat secondary, who the pass was going to several seconds before the ball was even released.

Standing in the pocket too long, and not throwing the ball away rather than taking a loss, is squarely on the quarterback, not play calling or the offensive line. One sack came after the line held up for six seconds, another when they provided seven seconds to make a decision.

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The offensive line that struggled earlier in the year provided good protection. The story of the game was not about the Rodgers' brothers' production, 404 total combined yards, but about critical mistakes elsewhere.

 

Even the touchdown to Damola Adeniji was a poor throw that two Wildcats tipped. It's to Adeniji's credit that he stayed with the play, looking to make the tackle after what he expected to be an interception, and was able to save the situation as a result.

"I was cutting back across the field looking for what I thought was going to be an interception to make the tackle," Adeniji said. "It just happened to fall my way, and I caught it."

 

With Arizona's star running back Nic Grigsby knocked out of the game with a shoulder injury on the Wildcats' first play, Keola Antolin, who has a lot of the bouncy elusiveness that makes Jacquizz Rodgers so effective, was impressive initially in Grigsby's absence. But he too was slowed with a leg injury. A new QB with a depleted rushing attack should have been hard pressed to put five touchdowns on the board.

 

Starting the third quarter with a three point lead, the Oregon State defense stopped a twelve play Arizona drive, only to have Canfield throw an interception on a poor throw on the next play. The Wildcats eventually proceeded to score, after running 19 plays, and burning nearly nine minutes of clock, before the Beavers would get the chance to run their second play of the period. Four plays later, another sack ended that series.

After the game, Coach Mike Riley admitted the third period was "Terrible." But it was untimely mistakes that overburdened a defense that needed some help that really hurt, more than the defense's own shortcomings.

 

And the worst was yet to come. After the second interception, the crowd which was for the third time this year the 15th. largest home crowd in Beaver history, largely started to abandon the team, and the stadium, but the defense didn't, using time outs and holding Arizona. Still needing only a field goal to force overtime, the Beavers had half a minute to work with.

Arizona punter Keenyn Crier's third punt that pinned Oregon State on their own three of the game cemented him as the Pac-10 special teams player of the week, and didn't help the Beaver's cause, but they still had a chance.

The one thing they could not have was a safety, which is, of course what Canfield took after the line held up for five seconds, in a situation where the ball had to come out fast.

Still more fans poured out, but the Beavers were still not defeated. Justin Kahut delivered a perfect on-side kick, and it appeared to be Kevan Walker flying thru the air to make the recovery.

The Beaver band, now grown to 215 members, the largest in modern times, cranked up, and the student section kept cheering, as Oregon State special teams had actually improved field position, out to the 34 yard line.

But with still 23 seconds left, Canfield never got a pass in the air, twice taking sacks.

Whether Moevao will be able to do any better is still unknown, but it is worth a try. And not unreasonable, or unprecedented.

The argument so far against using Moevao has been that he still doesn't have the arm strength to go down field. On his one play, he did, and the throw came out quick and strong. The fact that it was no where near anyone is a product of the fact that receiver Jordan Bishop broke his route up the seam, while Moevao threw to a spot, expecting an out route. Whose' error that was is unknown, but it was not a problem with arm strength or throwing motion.

Another of the defensive problems has been in the secondary, where safety Suaesi Tuimaunei has been torched so often Corvallis Fire had to respond to the bench to extinguish burning embers. There's no evidence Tuimaunei wasn't trying, or isn't a good guy, but he was replaced. For the simple reason that his shortcomings were jeopardizing all the work of about a hundred other players, not to mention many more whose' efforts are tied to the program.

Whether that change will help only time will tell, but what was happening wasn't working well enough, so it was time to at least try another option.

Because there is a viable alternative, the same situation exists behind center.

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Will it be bye-bye Sean, or bye-bye season?

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Totally agree

Bye-bye Sean.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 27, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice job AP

well said and probably the sentiments of most of Beaver Nation.

by RayBeavFan on Sep 27, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What I really hope is that this does not

turn into some anti-Sean campaign. And for Coach Riley, pulling the Pac-10’s leading passer has to have been, and continue to be a very tough call.

And if Lyle can not do a better job, and quickly, I’ll lead the support for going back to Sean.

But the last five offensive plays of the game gave the Beavers no chance to succeed. With the fastest player on the field, and the most elusive player in the conference, no one should have left until :00. But a mass exodous happened, and was a vote of no confidence.

A lot of players, some who don’t even suit up, are investing a lot of effort to do what they can. Players like Lance Mitchell and James Dockery who have been burned, but have made adjustments, and are making improvements series to series.

Plus even more others. A band that spent over 50 hours in the week leading up to the game to muster as high a quality of support as possible. A student section that has been full for three games between terms. Unprecedented.

There is nothing personal about this at all. There is just too much at stake to not at least try something different.

Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Sep 27, 2009 2:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

can you say 3 and nine

by litaburger on Sep 27, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can you say

Over dramatic!

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 27, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you say I would still support the team! And yell as much as I could at the games!

And hope that one more victory is against whatever team you root for!

How’s that for ya? You-lita-one-time-sign-up-hope-not-to-hear-from-you-again.

-RVM

by rvm on Sep 27, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha-Ha

Nice job Robert.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 28, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
Statistics don’t lie, but they can allow one to mislead themselves. Because, despite their poor total defense and pass defense numbers, the Beaver defense has still had the team in position to contend for the win the last two weeks.

I totally agree and “overburdened” is a nice way of describing it. Sure the D has had some bad plays but looking at it overall for the game I thought the offense put that burden on the D (same and more so with the Cincy game). The offense needs to live up to its half of the deal and keep the opposing offenses off the field with sustained drives and also keep the other team off balance with scoring more points and keeping that scoring foot to the pedal (hate to use the comparison but that second half drive by the Ducks, their first possession in the 3rd, is exactly the type of offense as defense we need to see from the Beavs). The D needs to improve some more of course, but they are making the strides, I’m just not seeing it with the offense.

-RVM

by rvm on Sep 27, 2009 5:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not Canfield's Fault

Amen, Andy. This game was not Canfield’s fault at all. It was their defense. Once again, they put zero pressure on the opposing quarterback. Last week, Tony Pike had all day to throw the football; this time, Nick Foles had plenty of time (25 for 34, 354 yards, 3 touchdowns). When they have this much time, they can exploit that weak Oregon State secondary. Oregon State MUST put pressure on the QB if they want a shot to beat Arizona State next week.

Arran
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by arrang2 on Sep 27, 2009 6:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It was partly the defense's fault

But I don’t think there is a time when you can’t blame some of the loss on the Quarterback. He touches the ball every play and if he can’t get a win then it is partly his fault.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 27, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I actually agree about the QB pressure

And would personally put the “fault” not all on the QB’s shoulders since I feel there are other issues going on with the offense, I thought Andy was putting more of the onus on the offense and QB than the defense for this game. So it seems like you two are a bit in disagreement? Not in total disagreement, but he seriously seems to be calling for a QB change and is pretty critical of Canfield’s performance so far.

Anyway, even though I did put more of my focus on the offense above, I do want to add in that the defense needs to mix it up more and get much more QB pressure. We are going to be playing some very good offenses with some excellent QBs. So I’m in pretty much total agreement with what everyone has said about this issue (with a minor point of disagreement here and there, still mainly feel the offense needs to take much more control of games to take a bit of the pressure off the D).

-RVM

by rvm on Sep 27, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are plenty of arguements

on both sides of the ball depending what angle one prefers to view from. As I watched the game on TV last night, I made the comment, the Beavs looked as though they lacked confidence. Somehow they looked tentative on a few plays. I know that most of you BtD regulars are far more knowledgable, in all things Beavers, than I am. It just seems to me that there are alot of Frosh and Soph players getting serious gametime so far this season. There just may be an experience gap in the rotation causing missed assignments. Whatever the problem is, we see things like James R
turning in and Sean throwing out, and Quizz falling short of the 100 yard benchmark. Defenders biting hard on a pump and go for a TD. No, I don’t think you can blame just a couple of players. It’s a team game and there have been team mistakes made. As far as the QBs go, I’m glad I’m not the head coach because that is one hard decision to make.
GO BEAVs!

by RayBeavFan on Sep 27, 2009 7:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It just seems to me that there are alot of Frosh and Soph players getting serious gametime so far this season. There just may be an experience gap in the rotation causing missed assignments.

I think this is an excellent observation and to be honest at a personal level this is why I wish Lyle was in there running the offense for I think he brings the leadership and fire to the position. But do also worry about changing to him at this time and what type of message that sends to the younger players. Like you I don’t know what I would do in Riley’s position, but glad I can just armchair guess at it!

-RVM

by rvm on Sep 27, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The message

Is that if they don’t perform up to their ability and that is someone better behind them, then they will get replaced.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 27, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who?

The younger players? If so not sure that is really the right main motivation factor. That plays into it, but the inexperienced players need to step up and part of that process is to be mentored along. On the field that means the experienced players. In my personal opinion Lyle is the better leader out there as QB, but that’s just me. Anyway, I think you were referring to the second one below, but thought I would use this opportunity to expand my thinking about the younger players.

The QB? Yes, again that is a partial motivation factor, but at the same time if one looks to be hesitate about the skilled positions it will have an effect on all positions and the overall bonding of the team. Now if, let’s say, Lyle goes in against ASU and the Beavs win then that’s huge, but if he goes in and plays cold (this would be his first game of the season) and they lose what then? Try to get him going, go back to Sean? It is a VERY tricky call. And again glad I don’t have to make it.

-RVM

by rvm on Sep 27, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

If Lyle has a bad game against ASU (or whenever his first start is.) We give him a few games at least. It is very tricky, but let’s not forget who our STARTER is.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 28, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Injury news

Catchings out 2-3 weeks but they want to apply fo a medical redshirt. Kristick has a bad stinger but should be back by Saturday.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 27, 2009 8:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

For.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 28, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kickoff for Stanford game

Is at 4:00 PM on FSN.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 27, 2009 8:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice

Same spot as last time, or different? I’m already pumped!

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 27, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Basically same

A little further up this time, but section 121. And yes I’m pumped up already too!

-RVM

by rvm on Sep 27, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my new approach for this season

Shake off the losses and get pumped for next week. You can either go to the games and boo or you can cheer and enjoy your Saturday afternoon. The cheering and enjoying sounds a lot more fun to me.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 28, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, I know

But I’m totally psyched for the Halloween game against UCLA as well. That’s going to be CRAZY.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 28, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've got tickets too

Section 14. This is the first game my son and I will be able to make it to since 1998 Cal game. (Rileys 1st stint).

by RayBeavFan on Sep 28, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Section 14!

I think those are around the 30 yardline. Nice seats man, enjoy!

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 28, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no kidding!

I thought I did okay with what was left but had to get four together, but yes nice seats!

Here’s to a great game!

-RVM

by rvm on Sep 28, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

We don’t know anyone else, specifically, going to the game other than Beaver fans in general. We are looking forward to having a great time. We’re going to be in row 5. I understand that it can get a little rowdy behind the visitors bench.

by RayBeavFan on Sep 28, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Row 5 should be pretty sweet.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Sep 28, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Panda has it right

Finally an objective, serious analysis of the ‘09 Beavers. And the conclusion is also right. It’s time for Moevao.

by FloridaBeav on Sep 28, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Serious, sure, but

“Objective”? Not sure I’m reading that with you there!

But it is a good analysis nevertheless.

-RVM

by rvm on Sep 28, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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