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Riley on Redshirts and the Roster for Portland State

Oregon State football head coach Mike Riley had updates today at the Valley Football Center on the status of a number of players, as the Portland State game approaches.

Lyle Moevao remains out, and is out of practice as well, not just for his shoulder, as Riley reports that "Lyle is also sick. Ryan Katz will be the #2 QB, and Peter Lalich #3."

Riley did advise that he has been told "An answer on Lalich's request for an additional year of eligibility is supposedly going to be received before kickoff."

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Riley advised there will probably be 24 freshmen redshirt, but that won't include Marcus Wheaton. And no, no answer has yet come from the NCAA clearinghouse, so Wheaton is out for Saturday, having missed a week and a half of practice.

"Tackle Geoff Garner, LB Rueben Robinson, the Unga twins Devin and Kevin, and Jordan Poyer will also not redshirt, and will see action on special teams. With LB Tony Wilson out for the year, we need Robinson and Devin (Unga) for depth."

And of course, Michael Phillipp has already been named the starter at left tackle.

With Ryan McCants out, "Jovan Stevenson will be the backup for Jacauizz Rodgers at running back, and Jordan Jenkins next. Will Darkins will play at fullback, and then Clayton York. At this point, I do think Ryan will be ready for the Cincinatti game."

"At the H-back position, it will be Joe Halahuni, and Colby Prince."

"Tight end [will be] Brady Camp, and than Howard Croom." And in a related matter, John Reese may also redshirt. "He approached me with the idea," Riley said. "It was a good idea, that since he never used his redshirt, he may come back next year as a senior. Of course, that can change at the drop of a hat with an injury."

Wide receiver Darrell Catchings is "Seing the doctor again. Perhaps he will be back by the Las Vegas game." In the slot, "Casey Kjos will start, and Jordan Bishop will play a lot."

Riley also shared some thoughts on Vikings QB Drew Hubel, the PSU offense, and the Smurf turf in Boise.

"We encouraged Drew to come to Oregon State after he was here for a camp, and when he got the PSU offer, we encouraged him to take it. It seemed like a better deal for him."

As far as what to expect from Portland St., and the run-and-shoot, Riley said "We have to prepare for the kitchen sink. And since Mouse (recently retired PSU offensive coordinator Mouse Davis) left, they have tweaked things even more. What they've added should be very interesting."

Tim Clark, the only senior starting in the retooled secondary also expected the Portland State tame to be "A good test. The secondary is the most inexperienced unit; we expect to get attacked a lot, right away. Hopefully, we will do what we are supposed to do, and that'll stop that."

 

With the University of Oregon making their first visit to Boise St. Thursday in the season opener, everyone is asking coaches who have been there what it is like to play in Boise, and on the blue "Smurf Turf." Fresno St. coach Pat Hill noted yesterday on Oregonian columnist John Canzano's radio show that since Boise painted the sidelines blue as well, and went to all blue uniforms, it is possible visually to lose track of Boise players.

Mike Riley has thoughts on the matter as well, and strong ones. "I hate it! I think it should be banned! I have terrible memories of (Jared) Zabranski running for touchdowns!" To which Mike Parker added "Riley could add Ian Johnson to that too."

 

Riley also put to rest, at least for now, thoughts of the Beavers running the wildcat offense, using 'Quizz. "It hasn't worked well at all in practice. It might need to stay in the the lab, maybe for a couple of years!" (Could Riley be creating a distraction for future opponents?)

Riley did note "It is an intriguing idea, just as the spread is. But you have to commit to it, and recruit to it, especially the spread." Riley felt "Whatever you run, it needs to play to the strengths of your players. And that can change, as players come back in the fall, stronger at some things they do."

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Any chance we can put together a 2 deep depth chart for Saturday?

I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by The VD Special on Sep 1, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wheaton issue

Good write up — I would also enjoy a 2-deep chart if anyone has time.

So to Wheaton, what the hell is going on here? 2 weeks ago it was “he should be back at practice tomorrow, or sooner”, so it feels like this has been going on for an eternity. What is the NCAA clearinghouse? Is this some covert section of the NCAA rules committee? Before this year I had never heard of these guys. Look if Wheaton didn’t take/pass a class or two in HS then it should have been verified by admissions. When I transferred in they went over my transcripts with a fine tooth comb and that was from a JuCo. So does anyone know what the real story is? It seems like there’s something going on behind the scenes that no one understands. If he needed to take some classes then he should have been in summer school at LBCC. Weird stuff.

Go Beavs!!

by calripken08 on Sep 1, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, the whole thing has been total crap.

I don’t know how he gets cleared to practice and then is jerked out of the line up.

by ArbyOSU on Sep 1, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How it happens...

An incoming player can practice for up to 2 weeks pending the clearinghouse approval, which Wheaton did. This is intended to address the backlog, but is proving in more and more cases to still be insufficient.

Once the 2 weeks are used up, the player must wait for clearance from the NCAA if it hasn’t come thru by that time.

Andy Wooldridge
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Sep 1, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn your logic and knowledge!

I like being blindly angry! Let’s find where the clearinghouse’s office is at! Let’s get those guys! Gararararaedrsrsd

by ArbyOSU on Sep 1, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wheaton transferred in high school

so his transcripts come from more than one school.

The NCAA Clearinghouse effectively repeats the efforts of admissions, except applying NCAA rules, vs. an individual institutions’ standards. They are nothing new, but have gotten more notice of late, as there are many more freshmen who are being looked at as immediate impact players. If Wheaton was going to red-shirt, this would not be a big issue, as a couple of weeks delay wouldn’t matter.

One of the biggest problems is the NCAA Clearinghouse is not a large, or well funded, operation, given they have to deal with every player in every sport at every NCAA institution. It isn’t just a football issue. So if there is any delay, such as can result from needing multiple transcripts, a player can get buried in the backlog.

This is another of those well-intended functions, which serves to make sure a given institution’s admissions dept. isn’t in cahoots with the football/basketball/fill-in-the-sport department, that hasn’t been well implemented.

IMO, this is an area that needs a new look, in order to make sure the system actually works for all concerned, and in a timely manner. Unfortunately, dollars and turf are involved, so you can guess how fast it will get fixed.

Andy Wooldridge
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Sep 1, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good insights

Andy, thanks for sharing your knowledge. Some clarification please — I know he is transferring in from Chandler HS in Arizona, however you mention there was a need for transcripts from more than one school, did he attend another HS school prior to Chandler? I agree that would certainly add complexity, however it shouldn’t be that unusual.
Next, I get the gist of your description of the NCAA clearinghouse, however the description sounds like it’s a stand alone function apart from the NCAA. Is it a separate entity? Are we looking at another level of bureaucratic red tape here?

Go Beavs!!

by calripken08 on Sep 1, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Clearinghouse is an arm of the NCAA

not a separate entity. But not as well funded and staffed as some more high profile arms.

I’ve heard second hand that there was another piece to the transcript puzzle, but not sure if it was due to school structure (freshman year?) or what exactly.

From side experience, I can say the whole transcript/class accreditation process needs a major dose of common sense. Even taking college prep. courses offered in connection with the local community college (which you would think would be a good thing) can complicate the process. Trouble is, there are way to many sacred cows, and vested interests, to get any agreement on how to fix it.

Andy Wooldridge
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Sep 1, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One last observation...

On the clearinghouse issue.

So Wheaton is having trouble with the clearinghouse, OK, I get the 2 weeks to practice, as referenced above by Andy, while they verify his transcripts, so he takes a break before continuing — waiting for the clearinghouse to get its act together.

With all that — can someone please explain how our starting OLT, Michael Philipp cleared the “waiver” wire without a hitch and will be our first starting freshman since the Protho era {obvious snark}?

This whole thing just makes no sense and something seems off to me.

Go Beavs!!

by calripken08 on Sep 1, 2009 5:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Starting freshman lineman

I think you mean. Afterall, Quizz started as a true freshman. The last freshman to start on the line doesn’t go back as far as the Prothro era, but it has been a while. The last offensive lineman to start for the Beavers was former Sprague High player Keith DiDominico in 1997.

Andy Wooldridge
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Sep 1, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keith D.? Sprague High? Go Olys!!!

Joe A. is a Sprague Class of ’79 alum.

On a related note, Joe A. is old as the hills and is so old school his pants cover his entire underwear. Usually.

I’m with Arby on this whole clearinghouse thing…how can I get properly lathered up with righteous indignation toward The Man if the delay is due to a high workload instead of incompetence?

by Joe A. on Sep 2, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeremy Perry started his freshman year

I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by The VD Special on Sep 2, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RS or true frosh year?

That kid was such an animal. I’ll always have a soft spot in my heart for JP. Absolute animal.

by ArbyOSU on Sep 2, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

true that

it’s really sad what happened to him, because he was a dominant force on the football field. he should easily be playing for millions of dollars in the nfl right now

"Put your drawers on, and take your gun off."

by cloudydays on Sep 2, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost positive it was his true freshman year

I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by The VD Special on Sep 2, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem isn't just here,

our case is just the one that Beaver fans are noticing.

Arizona St. freshman linebacker Vontaze Burfict still has not been cleared by the NCAA Clearinghouse either, and is not expected to play for the Sun Devils Saturday.

Andy Wooldridge
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Sep 2, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. Cliff Harris for Oregon had some issues with the NCAA Clearinghouse and only could get into camp this week!

--Dominic, Addicted to Quack

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Sep 2, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does his late arrival have anything to do with his legal issues? Not flaming, I just know the kid had court dates and charges to deal with. Wasn’t he suspended? I’m surprised the clearinghouse didn’t absolutely screw him over for that.

by ArbyOSU on Sep 2, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a good question. i don’t have the complete answer because most of the news out of Fresno was very tight lipped. I do know that his high school had a “no tolerance” policy in place when the situation with his brother occurred. He was originally charged with a felony and a misdemeanor but the felony charged was dropped. At the first part of august, his court date was postponed. Then he went into the NCAA Clearinghouse Abyss only to emerge at the end of August as “cleared”. I don’t know if his legal issues were the cause of the hold up but it doesn’t seem to be.

My guess is that there was some sort of work to be done between his high school and the Clearinghouse. Technically, zero tolerance meant expulsion. The NCAA may have taken extra time to review it…or they may have just been extremely backlogged. No idea

--Dominic, Addicted to Quack

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Sep 2, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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