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Alamo Bowl May Be In The Offing

The PAC-10 is close to signing a contract with the Alamo Bowl that will send the conference's No. 2 team to San Antonio, starting following the 2010 season. The move will result in a demotion of the conference's present bowl partners, dropping the Holiday Bowl in San Diego to receive the third choice of teams, and the Sun Bowl in El Paso would get the fourth choice.

In addition to a desire for a more high profile bowl presence, money is the deciding factor in the change. The Alamo Bowl reportedly has offered $3 million per team to match the PAC-10 runnerup against the third team out of the Big XII*, while the Holiday Bowl, which currently features the conference's No. 2 team, is unlikely to raise its payout from $2.35 million.

(* In the event of either conference receiving an at-large BCS invitation, the team assignments would be adjusted down, just as they are now.)

The Pac-10's current bowl agreements with the Rose, Holiday, Sun, Las Vegas, Emerald and Poinsettia Bowls all expire after this season, though the Rose Bowl remains the destination of the conference champion under the BCS contract, unless the "Non-BCS qualifier" rule comes into play.

The Sun Bowl has indicated they will probably continue with the PAC-10, despite the "demotion", due to the strong performances and attendance by PAC-10 teams, recently including the Oregon St. Beavers fairly regularly.

The new bowl arrangements could mean an addition of more than $3 million, up to as much as $5 million a year, to the conference. Bowl money is shared by all 10 schools, and such an infusion of cash is sorely needed in light of recent budget and program cuts conference wide.

This season's Alamo Bowl will feature the third pick out of the Big 12 and the No. 4 Big Ten team, and the Alamo Bowl is interested in an upgrade as much as the PAC-10 is.

The Alamo bowl is scheduled to move to Jan. 2, after spending the previous 17 seasons on December dates. The change will also give the PAC-10 a second bowl date on or after New Year's Day, another conference goal in elevating their bowl profile.

PAC-10 teams won the first two Alamo Bowl games played, in 1993 and 1994. The California Golden Bears destroyed the Iowa Hawkeyes 37-3 in the inaugural game, and the Washington St. Cougars downed the Baylor Bears 10-3 in the second edition.

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Why can't it be Alamo for Sun?

Now there will be TWO bowls in Texas with PAC-10 tie-ins? I guess this might help recruiting for the conference, but honestly, why can’t we just trade a BAD Texas bowl location (El Paso) for a GOOD Texas bowl location (San Antonio)?

Why can’t things just work exactly like I want them to?! Jeez, universe, you suck.

by ArbyOSU on Aug 13, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The goal is to ADD another bowl,

and a better one, which this will be, and NOT lose any, and the $ and TV that go with them. Getting into any of the better bowls in the southeast will be a long term deal, being so far away. So this will be a big step in the right direction.

The Sun has a good TV slot, and has been good to the PAC-10, so despite not being the greatest destination, it is still way better than the rec. field north of Gill.

Andy Wooldridge
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Aug 13, 2009 9:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I LOVE this idea

Hopefully it goes through.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Aug 13, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure what the excitement is about here

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t see this as adding anything beyond the extra money pay out. It is nice someone stepped up and moved in on the expiration of the other contracts, but how is this adding a bowl? My guess is doesn’t this mean one of the other bowl contracts will be let go? And that means over time the money will not be that much of an increase for I would think if the other bowls get demoted they probably will go with lower pay outs to compensate.

I’m also a bit with ArbyOSU here and why two in Texas? Seems like we want a bit more spread around the country don’t we?

Plus how is this any higher a profile bowl than the Holiday? Doesn’t the profile go up and down with the level of the teams involved?

Sorry, I guess I don’t see the big deal here. Maybe I’m not reading this all correctly, let me know!

-RVM

by rvm on Aug 13, 2009 3:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm just excited in general about it

A high profile bowl in a great location.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Aug 13, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with this, I do like the location a lot, so hope that promotes more ticket sales if we go, and combined with the fact that it would mean a solid conference finish it does add up nicely.

-RVM

by rvm on Aug 14, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I'll try to explain this again.

The Alamo Bowl will be a somewhat higher profile than the Holiday Bowl, due to the better date once they move to after Jan. 1, and the market they are in. And they are offering $3 million, when the Holiday is not going to up its ante that much.

As to why Texas, which seems to be unattractive to some, it is because that is the step up that is available at this time, and the only step up available. Everyone agrees that a good bowl in the southeast would be better, but that isn’t available, as those bowls aren’t that interested in teams from twice as far away as they have in place now. It comes down to will a Michigan/Iowa or Oregon St./Arizona St. (for example) travel better to Orlando? AND which will command a larger television audience?

It is possible that a bowl may drop off the bottom of the list, but in the current difficult economic times, apparently those doing the negotiation for the conference have determined that probably isn’t in the works, as the Pac-10 is still an attractive audience to these communities. Very few schools are either big enough or close enough to compete with the size of the fan base that will follow their teams to any of these west coast destinations. Or at worst, if we drop, say, the Poinsettia Bowl in exchange for the Alamo Bowl, that is still a significant net upgrade overall, both in terms of exposure and dollars.

Also, the PAC-10 already has good penetration into the markets of the Las Vegas, Emerald (Bay Area), and Poinsettia (San Diego) bowls, so that won’t erode that much, while Texas, which has a huge population, is a targeted market for the PAC-10, and has been. Recall the efforts to add Texas and Texas A&M? Texas and the Big XII areas are a market the PAC-10 is looking to as the next area to get a share of.

And anyone that doesn’t think an injection of money well into 6 figures is at least a fairly big deal at each Pac-10 program hasn’t, to put it politely, been paying close attention to the budgets, and the cuts.

Andy Wooldridge
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Aug 13, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah well, can't read ALL of your between the lines you know
hasn’t to put it politely, been paying close attention to the budgets, and the cuts.

More than you can ever imagine or know my friend and I won’t be seeing any of this money, and always good to know the OSU wrestling program will be saved because of this huh?

Anyway, I guess I was reading it was good news overall, but just didn’t see the high level of excitement attached to it, hence why I tried to explain my questions and to see if I was not quite reading it all. I’m just not totally sure how this will increase a ton of revenue coming in over the mid to long term when it seemed to me from reading your initial post other bowls will adjust compensation and maybe will be lost to the Pac-10.

So this means that the Pac-10 sends six to seven teams to bowl games now? You said add a bowl but is this realistic to keep the Pac-10 as a fresh offering if basically 3/4 of the teams could be eligible?

-RVM

by rvm on Aug 13, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

Okay, revisiting this post I was a bit pissy about it all, but rubbed me the wrong way in suggesting that I was naive about the current budget situation in higher education when you know nothing about me.

My questions above were serious though and not trying to belittle the news but just see this as another story in a long line of them about this and that news about wonderful revenues and exposure for OSU and the Pac-10 and wondering if it will really make that much of an impact.

Personally when all is said and done as a fan what I really care about is that the Beavers end up playing the majority of their bowl games in whatever bowl is offered to the first or second place team.

-RVM

by rvm on Aug 13, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.sbnation.com/users/AndyPanda

(Been around college & high school football in various forms since Jess Lewis and OJ Simpson were playing. Another reason besides the Sun Bowl that I don’t find 3-0 football necessarily boring.)

Andy Wooldridge
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Aug 14, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with RVM

I think it’s about the same profile as the Holiday Bowl.

Hi, my name's Connor and I am addicted to College Football

by ConnorOSU on Aug 13, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, this is only...

…a somewhat higher profile bowl (and said so), but it is still a step up, and at this time, one of the few steps up that are available.

I also agree, it will have minimal impact on wrestling, because that program is well funded by the Dale Lewis foundation. Indeed, it is too early to even predict exactly where the additional revenue will fit into the overall budget. But there are certainly plenty of places to choose from.

As far as the lower bowls going with a lower payout, that’s not in the works. There is a minimum a bowl must pay, or lose their sanction. The Holiday Bowl is aware of what is happening, they just aren’t in position at this time to make an increase. So any deflation will be from not filling the slots, not decreased payoffs. And even if some slots go unfilled, they will be the lowest paying ones. So this will be a revenue increase, with the size of the increase varying with performance.

Whether the Pac-10 can fill 7 bowl slots in any given year remains to be seen as well, given the oft-documented tough, full conference schedules, and a penchant for playing tough non-conference schedules. Some years, 6 has been more that the conference could fill.

However, it is still good to have as many slots guaranteed available as possible, especially with conferences like the ACC looking at sending 7-8 teams to bowls coast to coast.

No one disagrees that the goal is to be in the top 2-3 at worst nearly every year, but that may not always happen. And for it to happen, each incremental $ or TV appearance does make a contribution.

Not so long ago, there was quite the uproar about the need for the Pac-10 to improve their bowl package, and their visibility, and the news is that they have done so. I take that as a positive sign, given the frustrating lack of progress in recent years.

I also see Connor’s comment about it being about the same profile as the Holiday Bowl as a good indicator of the relative difference in perception from different parts of the country. We in the west have long been more aware of the Holiday Bowl and San Diego than much of the country from east of the Rockies.

So this isn’t so much about being a higher profile in the view of those on the west coast, but it is a higher profile in the view of those in Texas. (And remember where we got the Rodgers brothers from, and how few players (or other tuition paying students) on the Corvallis campus in recent years have come from Texas.)

Note also the Alamo bowl in the process is elevating the level of teams from where they have been (Big 10 #4, vs. Pac-10 #2), so their profile will be rising, while the Holiday Bowl isn’t.

Andy Wooldridge
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Aug 14, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Nick Daschel says

on Buster sports:

Comment: Considering Larry Scott’s short tenure as Pac-10 commissioner and the league’s oft-overlooked geography restraints, this is a home run. As much as Pac-10 fans bitch about the league’s bowl lineup, they’re not going to get any bowl east of Texas to bite. The Alamo Bowl is underrated, is a terrific destination for fans to spend three or four days, and will reportedly pay the Pac-10 $3 million. A lineup of Rose-Alamo-Holiday-Sun-Emerald for the Pac-10’s top five teams is an upgrade over years past.

Andy Wooldridge
Go Beavs!

by AndyPanda on Aug 14, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so, we’ll see how it boosts things in the future.

I do like the new TX location, I’m much more apt to go to San Antonio but much more excited to go to LA if you know what I mean.

-RVM

by rvm on Aug 14, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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