The Morning After: Reality Sets In
I sort of hit on this last night in my "Lingering Thoughts" posts, but it's becoming more and more clear to me this morning: this season makes the back to back National Championships look even better.
Look, in Corvallis, going to Omaha and winning rings has been a way of life in the last few years. It's almost like it's an expectation. The Beavers--inferior to other teams in the NCAA Baseball Tournament and in college baseball-- were constantly becoming the best team in America at the end of the season when it mattered, blowing teams like Rice, Cal State Fullerton, and Georgia out of the water.
But this year, with OSU's relatively quick exit in regionals, we're starting to get a greater appreciation for the accomplishments of Pat Casey, Marty Lees, Pat Bailey, and the OSU players in the past years.
I think it's becoming clear to us that the Beavers may never win another National Championship again. They may never get the right pieces to the puzzle in terms of leadership they enjoyed in Mitch Canham and Darwin Barney, and they may never get that spark at the perfect time to ignite a late season run.
With all that said, qualifying for the NCAA Tournament is even a huge accomplishment. We know a lot more is possible, but quite frankly, it's ridiculously hard to do on a year-end, year-out basis.
Let's relish our back to back National Championships, but not hold this year's team up to those standards. While they might have been capable of doing what the teams of 2006 and 2007 did, it takes a whole heck of a lot to go right-- all at the right time.
--Jake (jake.buildingthedam@gmail.com)
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This is a great post and I agree with 97.5% of it
But I wouldn’t quite go this far yet:
I think it’s becoming clear to us that the Beavers may never win another National Championship again. They may never get the right pieces to the puzzle in terms of leadership they enjoyed in Mitch Canham and Darwin Barney, and they may never get that spark at the perfect time to ignite a late season run.
I totally agree with your overall assessment here about the need for leadership, but at the same time we have the same main leader—Pat Casey. So yes we shouldn’t expect trips to Omaha every year, but at the same time shouldn’t overlook Coach Casey’s leadership.
Really when you get down to it Casey is the person driving these teams and yes a person like Barney also helps with his natural leadership (and the other coaches of course too). But Casey was instrumental in bringing that and channeling that for Darwin. I believe as long as Casey is here and he is bringing in the recruits he has been bringing in, OSU will be a top-tier team. Like a Georgia, Rice, North Carolina, and Arizona State we won’t win every year but we will be making runs at it and we should (underline and bold “should”) win a National Championship or two before Casey leaves.
Oh and this team underachieved. I believe we should have finished better in the regular season and had a shot at hosting the Regional, and as it was should have reached the Super Regional by beating TCU twice. But to come around and show that yes I really do agree with you Jake, I’ll end on what I think really sums it up perfectly:
Let’s relish our back to back National Championships, but not hold this year’s team up to those standards. While they might have been capable of doing what the teams of 2006 and 2007 did, it takes a whole heck of a lot to go right— all at the right time.
-RVM
by rvm on Jun 1, 2009 9:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Coach Casey is such a valuable asset to this team, but I argue that he can only do so much. I think a coach’s job should be to put the team in the best possible position to win. Casey’s one of the best in the business at doing that.
But I think when it comes down to it, it’s the players that have to win the games. I’ve heard Casey mention this in press conferences and stuff, so maybe it’s why I feel this way, but I think it takes leadership to go deep into the post-season. Teams with a fair balance of leaders and role players are what it takes to get it done, in my opinion.
--JB--
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jun 1, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
going to agree to slightly disagree here
I think that is the beauty of Casey’s leadership is he tries to take a back seat as much as possible. But he is much more important than I think you are giving him credit for, or that he admits to.
I agree of course that the players are the ones out there winning the games, and leaders and role players are very important. I just think though Casey is instrumental in fostering those leaders and having them buy into the system he has put into place, which is equally important.
-RVM
by rvm on Jun 1, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So basically what we’re getting at here is that you need to have the leadership coming from the coaching staff and the leaders, coexisting? I think that’s what I’m getting.
--JB--
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jun 1, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes for what I think we agree on. Where we go our slightly different ways is that I see the coaching leadership as more important in fostering the players’ leadership. And that more credit is due on Coach Casey’s side of this.
I think for the most part we agree, yes.
-RVM
by rvm on Jun 1, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it so wrong to expect Omaha every year? Is it bad to live like that?
There are other teams who have lofty expectations. Teams like Kentucky and North Carolina expect Final Four every year, and anything less is unsuccessful. USC and Florida expect a BCS game and nothing less. Texas and LSU expect Omaha. All I’m saying is, with the program that Pat Casey had built, maybe we should expect Omaha. Yes, winning 1 National Championship takes a lot of luck, leadership and many X factors you can’t define. Winning 2 in a row? Well now that’s just incredible. But I don’t think its fair for us to be just satisfied with a regional exit. This team was better and more talented then what they accomplished. Had they done what they were supposed to do, and won series against UCLA, USC, WSU, and UW and lost to ASU (instead of the other way around), we would be hosting a regional, and probably moving on to the Super Regionals next weekend. So no, Jake, I’m not satisfied. We were one of the better teams in the country this year, and vastly underachieved. Losing a 4-0 lead to TCU last night to be eliminated was not satisfying, and I’m going to be disappointed until we AT LEAST make the Super Regionals again. We have had too many good recruiting classes for this early of an exit.
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Jun 1, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to be disappointed until we AT LEAST make the Super Regionals again. We have had too many good recruiting classes for this early of an exit.
I’ll take this a notch up and with Casey still coaching and the recruiting the Beavs have brought in I will expect at least one trip to Omaha and a Pac-10 championship within the next three years. Might not mean both at the same time, but yes I’m expecting at least one CWS appearance sometime in the next three years and one Pac-10 championship.
I agree we should expect nothing less, and my guess is Casey, the entire coaching staff, and players also expect nothing less.
-RVM
by rvm on Jun 1, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I think we should be knocking on the door every year. I mean, the guy might not open the door every time, but at least we are giving it a shot.
How’s that for an analogy?
--JB--
www.buildingthedam.com
by Jake Bertalotto on Jun 1, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that we can "expect" Omaha every year, but I think it should be the goal.
I mean, if you’re not aiming for the top, something is wrong. In my high school baseball program, our varsity guys all have goal sheets posted in their lockers that read “WIN STATE. WIN LEAGUE. WIN EVERY SERIES.” and on and on and on down the line. I think that you have to have lofty goals, you just have to understand that not every year is going to be your year.
And also, I see what you mean about not being satisfied. I think there’s that pessimist in all of us that looks at what went wrong and speculates about how it could have gone right. But in the end, not everything always goes right.
--JB--
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jun 1, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand that not everything can go right all the time. I can only imagine the uproar that was happening in Kentucky this year with the Wildcats didn’t make the tourney (and ultimately their main rival Louisville getting the #1 overall seed). But I think that’s what I meant when I said expect: it should be the goal.
You’re right, it’s not realistic to “expect” the Final Four every year. But it should be more than a goal. Almost every collegiate team sets a “goal” to win a National Championship. But only one can actually win, and generally only 8-10 probably have a realistic shot of accomplishing just that. I do think its fair that we expect Omaha and that anything less is considered unsuccessful, especially with the talent and coaching that we have. We should have challenged Arizona State for the conference championship this year, not fall to a tie with UCLA for 3rd place. It is unacceptable, and it is leaving a sour taste in my mouth.
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Jun 1, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant I DO understand that not everything can go right all the time
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on Jun 1, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say...
But I agree with VD on this. We SHOULD expect to go to Omaha every year because we have earned that right to after winning two straight national championships. It seems to me that too much at Oregon State we are ok with just coming in second or third and saying “we can’t expect to win every year”. Well why the heck not? Every other major college program in this country expects to win and win big. You can’t always say well we don’t have the facilities, or the tradition, or whatever. Eventually you just have to go do it. That is one thing that I do admire about UO. They are not sitting around satisfied with coming in second or third, they are shooting to be the best at everything. They are whining about not having the tradition of a USC or UF but instead going out and trying to make that tradition. I believe that this mentality of ‘underdog’ will only get OSU so far and its something we need to ditch. Eventually we need to hold all 3 of our major sports (football, mens basketball, and baseball) to high standards and expect more than just low bowl games, CBI tournaments, and first round exits in a regional. Now I believe football and basketball will be there in the next 2-3 years but there is NO reason that baseball shouldn’t be there right now.
GO BEAVS!!!
by beavsfan10 on Jun 1, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe that this mentality of ‘underdog’ will only get OSU so far and its something we need to ditch
I agree with you there. I guess my opinion on this is that we totally need to shoot for the top during the season. But I think when you’re looking back on a season, you have to realize that there are hundreds of teams competing for one prize, and if you gave it everything you’ve got, there’s not much else you can do.
But that being said, do you think this team gave it it’s all?
--JB--
www.buildingthedam.com
by Jake Bertalotto on Jun 2, 2009 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah i would agree with that
I think that this team gave it a good shot because I don’t believe Coach Casey would have allowed it any other way but I do agree with VD in that we grossly underachieved. We had the talent and the schedule to be able to host a regional this year and just flat out did not get the job done.
by beavsfan10 on Jun 2, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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