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A Couple Lingering Thoughts

My optimistic, positive game recap went up a few minutes ago. Since hitting the "publish" button, I've had a few lingering thoughts.

--Geeze, I wasn't expecting the off-season to come so abruptly. It's almost like I wasn't ready to say goodbye to this season yet... but I guess that's a result of having the success in Omaha in the last few years. We've gotten so used to success at this time of year that it seems like it hurts even more to experience this end result of losing in regionals that 48 teams experience every year. 

--Looking back on the game, the play in the fifth inning in which Adalberto Santos was thrown out at second base looms large. I was listening on the radio at the time, but according to Parker, the throw was off line and Santos arrived at the same time as the throw from catcher Bryan Holliday. Pat Casey was visibly angry with second base umpire Chris Marshall on the call, possibly citing the fact that Marshall was playing to the interests of the Lupton Stadium crowd. Regardless of that fact, the Beavers went from potentially having a man on second with no outs to nobody on base with one out, a large swing. Two ground balls would end the inning. 

--Speaking of the crowd, I wasn't too impressed with the sportsmanship shown by several TCU fans who were yelling at OSU players the entire weekend, and the overall crowd in general. They didn't seem as astute and baseball literate as fans in Corvallis, but maybe that's a bit to much of my OSU bias seeping into my analysis.

--Speaking of poor sportsmanship, I felt that TCU head coach Jim Schlossnagle's decision to make Josh Osich change his undershirt was done in poor taste as well. There's no reason for an opposing coach to force a player to go into the clubhouse and change his undershirt during the middle of an inning-- just ridiculous. It's not like the two inches in which the two shirt sleeves were uneven gave Osich a competitive advantage, it was just something that Osich did for comfort by preference. And the appeal came in the middle of the inning, as if the TCU staff didn't notice the sleeve until later in the inning. If that was the case, could the sleeve really be all that distracting? However, it also seems that the TCU coaches may have noticed the sleeve and just waited until an inopportune to disrupt Osich. Obviously, he wasn't the same pitcher after that. Maybe it's more of my Oregon State bias again, but I don't think that Oregon State coaches would ever make an opposing pitcher change shirts because they are uneven. 

Feel free to weigh in. Maybe I'm just bitter after that loss. 

--Jake (jake.buildingthedam@gmail.com)

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Here are my OSU bias thoughts to go along with yours

Season = I hear you. I personally thought we would get to the Super Regional this year and lose, but they just were too up and down, and fatigue was a factor. So that all said I’m actually impressed by today and how they gave it their all.

Plays = Can’t really point one out, in my opinion, for sure that was a big call, but also the hitting into a double play in the eighth inning was equally huge and no one’s fault but the OSU offense there. Could have won this game, should have? Don’t know.

Crowd = Glad you said something. Watching and listening to it I was like are we this bad to visiting teams? I’ve seen stuff like an individual rubbing it in on the ASU bench after the game that was in poor taste and we have one or two hecklers (especially in GA), but all in all it just seems like the Texas crowds are what you have described. Same with the basketball crowd during the CBI.

TCU coach = Yep, I agree but this one could just be both of our bitterness coming out. To one up your bitterness, I wasn’t all that impressed with that first game we played them either. The team is pretty good and very fundamental sound too, but the coaching and fans didn’t impress me much on the sportsmanship side of things. But hey they won and are moving on and we aren’t so guess it got the job done, and you know it was not fun to lose both games to them. So take my thoughts as you want, they are just that: my opinions.

Side thought of the night: At least we weren’t the other OSU this year! Lost to Florida State 37 to 6 tonight (most runs in a NCAA tournament game ever). What was up with that team? First all the runs to Georgia, then win the next two, and then totally embarrassed tonight. I feel a little better about our showing after seeing that score.

-RVM

by rvm on May 31, 2009 8:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks like our opinions are mostly the same.

I think you said it in a different post, but it does feel like Sunday was a microcosm of the whole season. There was some great baseball played, but in the end, we just couldn’t get it done. Couldn’t “step on their throats,” as Casey likes to say.

--JB--
www.buildingthedam.com

by Jake Bertalotto on Jun 1, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the TCU coach, I thought it was hilarious that right after Osich got two of his kids out and was throwing well and IN the strike zone, suddenly he needs to fix his shirt. I mean, clearly he was using the powers of uneven sleeves to get those batters out. I can only imagine how mesmerized they must have been. Personally, in any business deal I’ve ever been involved in, I always throw off the other party by pushing up one of my sleeves. It’s a mind melter for sure.

As for the crowd… I’ve been at OSU games where we get after guys… however, we don’t show up to regional games where our boys aren’t playing to heckle the other teams. That’s bush league. But I’ve got to admit, I expect very little from a college with the word “Texas” in it. Even the word “Christian” doesn’t class it up one bit.

Disappointing run though. I though game two was a little sloppy and was WAY too winnable to lose like that.

As for the other OSU, Lendale White said it best: “Ohio State sucks.”

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09

by ArbyOSU on Jun 1, 2009 8:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I did hesitate a bit when typing that about TCU fans, because I know OSU fans can be harsh as well. I went to two consecutive games against USC this year, as you may recall (lost both), and there was something that one USC player did (it escapes me now) that carried over from Friday’s game into Saturday’s game and probably Sunday’s as well. I think as a whole the OSU fanbase at Goss is a lot more educated on baseball and what-have-you, there’s just always those few guys who are either a) really funny, or b) make everybody look bad.

--JB--
www.buildingthedam.com

by Jake Bertalotto on Jun 1, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fort Worth Regional Opinions

I think that Beaver baseball fans have been spoiled with the team success of recent years, but also with the years of quality broadcasting that Mike Parker provides. I did not like some of the calls in the second TCU game by the coaches and the umpires, but think that the Beavers put up a good showing and I am certainly proud of the team.

My biggest problem with the Fort Worth Regional was the TCU broadcasting crew. If I were associated with TCU baseball, I would be embarrassed at how they were represented on such a big stage. The broadcasters were excessive homers, but that was not the worst part. They seemed incapable of properly pronouncing some of the names on the OSU roster. I don’t think one guy ever pronounced Koa Kahalehoe correctly and started referring to him as ‘K-squared’ in the late game on Sunday. They battled with Adalberto Santo’s first name during the Saturday game, but were finally able to get it right and started referring to him as Adalberto Sanchez. This was one of the rare opportunities to actually watch a Beaver game this season and I feel bad for the family and friends of players when the broadcasting bone-heads from TCU butchered the player’s names. I remember way, way, way, way back when I played high school football, as the team captain, I went through our entire roster with Mike Parker so he could make pronunciation notes about names that were not easy to say. Apparently the TCU guys are not that professional and were not willing to put in the time even after embarrassing themselves and their university in the Saturday night game.

I think our guys deserved much better treatment and more respect from TCU, but I would not hold their behavior against all Texas schools. I root for the Beavers first, but support the Aggies since I can actually attend some of their games. If this was the College Station regional, I know that we would have been treated much better. Blame TCU, not Texas.

by Drewguy on Jun 1, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice post

I agree, but I think we are a bit edgy about the Texas thing of late for the CBI championship against Texas El_Paso really didn’t leave a good impression either. The fans were awesome in showing support for their team, but then just came across as very immature in the way they went all ape-poop against Roland Schaftenaar (this is college ball people-chill out), throwing stuff on the court, etc.

But yes, we do need to probably back off the all of TX deal, but it is hard right now when: first we lose in a pretty heart-breaking fashion; and second just feel disrespected overall by the TCU experience (good call on the announcers) which all starts to add up.

We’ll all get over it soon though, won’t we!

-RVM

by rvm on Jun 1, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, I still have little respect for Texas, even though I know I’m not supposed to “mess” with Texas, whatever that means.

That said, A&M was definitely the most likable. I don’t mind them in the grand scheme of things. All other teams from this state are great… for me to poop on.

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09

by ArbyOSU on Jun 1, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m trying, I’m trying, work with me Arby!

Anyway, been awhile, how are things with you?

-RVM

by rvm on Jun 1, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not bad. Busy, busy, busy though. Life gets in the way of posting/reading sometimes, ya dig? How’s it on your end?

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09

by ArbyOSU on Jun 1, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Figured so, and I know what you mean.

Busy on my end too. Was pretty amped up about the baseball so posted more than I probably should have taken time on, so probably won’t see much of me for a bit after today—off season I guess!

-RVM

by rvm on Jun 1, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've had nothing but good times in Texas

People in El Paso were great (during the Sun Bowl) and treated us hospitably. The Pitt fans were the only ones to leave a sour taste in my mouth during the Sun Bowl, but even then, most fans were alright and left us be.

As for TCU fans, well you know what happens when fans of teams that haven’t been there before. It shows every where. They get all excited that their team is actually doing something that they don’t know how to root FOR their team but rather AGAINST the other team. Oh well. We should have won and shut them up. But we didn’t.

I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by The VD Special on Jun 1, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh well. We should have won and shut them up. But we didn’t.

Amen!

-RVM

by rvm on Jun 1, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I hear you

But with the Sun Bowl scenario, it’s not like the Beavers were an opposing team. They were just a participant in a Bowl game between two teams from many many miles away.

--JB--
www.buildingthedam.com

by Jake Bertalotto on Jun 1, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the broadcasters...

I definitely agree. The two games in which TCU wasn’t playing and the OSU Parker feed were used was beautiful. A) we won those games, and B) gotta love Mike Parker’s calls, especially when things are going well.

During the games we played TCU, I decided to just listen to Parker on a radio. It was willing to sacrifice a delay (2 pitches or whatever) between the sound and the video feed. It just wasn’t worth listening to those TCU guys… Parker, who does it by himself, I might add… gives much more information, is much more knowledgeable, and is fair to both teams.

And from what I DID hear from the TCU broadcast, it sounded like the play by play guy taught Sports Broadcasting classes at TCU.

--JB--
www.buildingthedam.com

by Jake Bertalotto on Jun 1, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TCU

First of all I want to say how impressed I was with the OSU fans, the team and the quality of baseball you play. As one sports writer suggested this morning, there is an obvious pedigree to the level of play coming from OSU.

However, I want to point out that the rules are the rules and your pitcher was in violation of them. In fact, during the first inning one of the NCAA site coordinators was in the box where I was watching the game and mentioned it but its not his duty to report it. Now you can argue all day long as to whether it was something that should have been overlooked but the facts remain that it is a rule and our coach was correct in pointing it out.

With regard to the timing, why not hold that in your back pocket until needed? I would call that one advantage Schlossnagle. He used it when he needed it and more power to him.

Your comments about our fans was a bit alarming but baseball in this part of the country is not a gentleman’s sport. Sure we have some fans that can be brutal but for the most part they are clean mouthed and friendly. Your players, particularly the catcher, was a great sport about it all and even grinned back at the crowd, which served to disarm the guys doing most of the talking. He handled it well and I call that one advantage catcher.

All in all it was a great series and a well played one by both teams. OSU has nothing to be ashamed of and I, for one, hope that you come back to Brown-Lupton on a regular basis but don’t come here and sit on your hands. Jump up, scream and root for your team. TCU fans won’t bother you and will probably invite you out for beers afterwards.

by wes@killerfrogs.com on Jun 1, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

all in all

It is just a game, and I think we are venting a bit after a disappointing loss. But here are some of my thoughts and reading of the above comments in response:

With regard to the timing, why not hold that in your back pocket until needed? I would call that one advantage Schlossnagle. He used it when he needed it and more power to him.

Maybe, maybe not, who are we to say really I guess. But it did seem a bit ill-timed and under-handed, but yes sure there are all kinds-of mind games going on in baseball where coaches slow down and try to break up the rhythm of players. This just seemed a bit extreme, and personally why not call it out once it was known by the coaching staff? Doesn’t it all come across as kind-of a trick in the hat deal, and I can’t trust my players to break down the pitcher? But in many ways not a big deal compared to our team’s lack of hitting runners in when it counted.

Your comments about our fans was a bit alarming but baseball in this part of the country is not a gentleman’s sport. Sure we have some fans that can be brutal but for the most part they are clean mouthed and friendly.

Probably true, and I’m a bit on the Corvallis crowds are not all saints side of things when it comes down to it. I think a lot of our beef here is that it happened ALL weekend, and what was the point of doing it when you are not even playing? BUT that all said the fans didn’t beat the players, TCU’s players did.

Thanks for the note and we’ll get over it all, sooner or later!

-RVM

by rvm on Jun 1, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, I agree with RVM

And I think we’d have the same argument about the sleeves if it was our coaches that brought it up… I just don’t think they would do that.

--JB--
www.buildingthedam.com

by Jake Bertalotto on Jun 1, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is pretty much TCU’s world series so I guess I can’t blame them for acting the way they did. Plus we’re talking about Texas here…

I’m disappointed that we didn’t show up in game one and fizzled in game two. This was a hot team that we really should have beaten. That said, they can still kiss the rings.

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09

by ArbyOSU on Jun 1, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a series, not our world series

Guys, I know its easy for you to think that the regionals were our world series but think about who we play on a regular basis down here. The University of Texas, Rice, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Baylor, etal. These are not easy teams to beat and all of them were top 25 teams. Plus we played and beat Cal State Fullerton 2 out of 3 at their place this year.

There are no “gimmie” games down here and a team gets better by playing quality opponents. Our RPI wasnt 13 because we play easy games and it sure as heck wasn’t because of the strength of the MWC. It’s because we play a tough schedule to get ready for the regionals and the real College World Series, not just a game with Oregon State. At the end of the day, OSU was just another quality opponent on the way to our ultimate goal.

by wes@killerfrogs.com on Jun 1, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m guilty of this too, but note that it was one guy who said that. ArbyOSU is making his point and not necessarily everyone’s view, at times yes at times no. But I do the same thing sometimes and lump everyone together.

TCU and UT should be an interesting series. Before Sunday, I would have personally said UT would win in two over TCU, but you guys are pretty good and UT has played a ton of innings now and that should come back to haunt them sometime.

I stand by my comments above though.

-RVM

by rvm on Jun 1, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m just saying what you want to say.

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09

by ArbyOSU on Jun 2, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

shhh!

I always thought our good and bad blogger routine worked well, don’t spoil a good thing!

-RVM

by rvm on Jun 2, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the World Series comments were taken out of context

What I think was meant was that TCU hosting was a huge deal, and the fans went nuts. Obviously TCU is a quality team who has played (and beaten) quality teams. Don’t get the wrong idea thinking we Oregon Staters are up here thinking we got robbed of a Nat’l Championship because of a jersey dispute

I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by The VD Special on Jun 1, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm, I don’t know

-RVM

by rvm on Jun 1, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I pretty much meant it was their World Series.

We had to adjust to success as well. I can’t blame them. They can’t deny it though.

"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''

- from Quick's Behind the Blazers Locker Room Door, 4/16/09

by ArbyOSU on Jun 2, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a stupid rule

Why the heck is there a rule about the length of your sleeves on your undershirt. There’s no way it was distracting the batter. As far as the advantage goes, isn’t there a bit of sportsmanship that needs to be shown here. I mean, I know it’s a big game and it’s not a fairy tale, but come on! Sports are about sportsmanship, and if you don’t have it then you shouldn’t be participating in them.

As far as the fans, they reminded me alot of the UTEP fans in the CBI. They were definitely hostile, but that’s what fans are supposed to do, make a tough enviroment for imposing teams.

I miss CV3000

by ConnorOSU on Jun 2, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TCU and the Fort Worth Regional

If you want the roots behind the sleeve incident, there was lingering bad blood from the night before. After the game, TCU got in their own line and shook hands with each other as is typical with a victorious baseball team. But when done, they were left standing at home plate waiting for Oregon State. The coaches from the opposing teams had shaken hands, but the Oregon State players remained in the dugout. The TCU players stood their looking at the Oregon State dugout before one player, I want to say it was Adalberto Santos, but may be wrong, came darting out of the dugout to shake hands. I am not saying it was bad sportsmanship because I think Oregon State’s team was genuinely dejected after the game and not paying attention, but Casey had already gone to the tunnel and Schlossnagle was standing there watching. So there was absolutely gamesmanship involved in the sleeve incident and that played a factor.

As for announcer, Chuck Lamendola is a teacher in the Radio TV Film department at TCU. I think he does a good job broadcasting games, but he is an acquired taste. Plus, i don’t expect anyone to ever like an opposing announcer. Think about the guy from Pittsburgh that talks of terrible towels. I think he just passed away, but I wouldn’t ever want to listen to that guy. Furthermore, Kahalehoe is somewhat difficult to get right.

Finally, I thought all the fans couldn’t have been nicer. All three visiting schools handled themselves extremely well on and off the field. As for TCU, there are some growing pains. There were a lot of fans that typically frequent football games that were there to see a baseball game for the first time. One poster earlier mentioned that there is a maturation process and education involved with winning and we are no different. If we were rude, we apologize. But admittedly, things are a little different in Texas and sports are a way of life and can get personal for some people rightly or wrongly.

You guys will be back and I wish we could play you guys in a future series. I love the Beavers style of play and you really have a gem in Gaviglio. Take care.

-Joe

by joebaseballfan on Jun 1, 2009 6:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Again, a good response

But will respond with a couple comments here too:

So there was absolutely gamesmanship involved in the sleeve incident and that played a factor.

What I have an issue here is that a coach should not take the college kids attitudes personally. Now if Schlossnagle had an issue with Casey or another coach or even the OSU players take it up with Casey. Don’t piss on the game itself. Like with Pat Murphy and his beef against Rhoderick in the ASU series, or if Casey would do something similar. I don’t/wouldn’t like it. Play the game and let your play speak the smack.

But admittedly, things are a little different in Texas and sports are a way of life and can get personal for some people rightly or wrongly.

This just doesn’t make all that much sense to me. Maybe you should hang out during Civil War football time here! This TX is so different is an interesting thing and here’s a story. Once I tried to pull that line on a Texan and he got very pissed that I would even imply that everyone in Texas lives in their own little world. Not an excuse or a proper way to label people is what I learned that day.

Anyway, thanks for the level-headed and nice post! All the best for the rest of the post-season for TCU!

-RVM

by rvm on Jun 1, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all, regarding the sleeve issue

Was it a cheeky decision by TCU’s coach? Yes. Whatever. Osich should be able to pitch no matter if he’s wearing long sleeves or going shirtless. The guy is a D1 pitcher for one of the top teams in the country. No excuses

I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.

by The VD Special on Jun 1, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kidding Me

I would just like to point out the fact that in the 1st TCU OSU game the beavers ran off the field into the home dugout yelling and I quote " Let’s shut up their F***ing cheerleaders!!" – Santos. This was in front of the HOME dugout. Behind which all the TCU fans were sitting. This was an easy way to get the TCU faithful going. I lost all respect for OSU and will never pull for them against any other school after the way they refused to shake hands after game one until Casey made them. Also the fact that the sleeve thing, that was the third time in last 2 weeks he was made to change undershirts. He is obvisiously doing it to gain an edge since he knows its a violation of the rules. Even if he isn’t, which honestly I doubt he is, but wouldn’t a person with simple logic reach that conclusion, they knew the rule and it was ridiculous the reaction from Casey as he yelled at TCU’s coach. And please our astute baseball literacy. comon

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