My Kingdom for an Offense? Subtitle: You kidding me? Beavs fall to the Cougars.
by rvm on Dec 22, 2009 9:11 PM PST
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PrintOkay, that was horrible. I want to get my thoughts out there now and be done with it for that game pretty much put a damper on the whole, very solid, season really. It's just a bowl game and yes I'm still proud of the team for the season they put in again this year, but will say that was just a plain lackluster effort and I'm not sure where it all came from.
Thoughts continuing after the jump...
Wind? Yes, sure but at the same time BYU handled it fine and if we could have got a running game going it would have not been a problem.
BYU? Okay, Cougar fans don't jump all over me for this is our house and I'm trying to parse out what happened to the Beavs tonight. But BYU did not do anything all that special. Yes, they ended up kicking our ass, and yes I owe some BYU fan a beer, but at the same time I swear if the Beavs just didn't beat themselves by looking flat as hell. What was up with Sean, and especially James, tonight? But in the end they played better than us and the score reflected that. I'm not trying to take anything away from BYU, just thought the Beavs were a better team than we saw tonight.
Play calling? I don't know why we didn't establish the run more with BYU on their heels and I don't know why we didn't go to the air when down big time and trying to have any chance at any type of run. Those run calls were strange down near the BYU goal line in the third quarter, once sure for let's see if we can get them off guard but twice in a row?
Let down game? I don't know, it kind-of seemed like it, but also it just kind-of seemed like they were distracted and expected it to work out. I don't know. The defense played okay really, it was the offense and I am shocked that the offense just really didn't do a thing, even going withthe wind.
In the end I really don't know what I watched tonight. I'm a bit shocked at this type of bowl performance out of a Riley team, they didn't look at all ready and seemed to get complacent after that first TD, then throw in the bizarre Quizz fumble for a BYU TD, and they just took it to us tonight. It was one of the not worse worse performances I can remember. Penn State and Oregon, of recent seasons, just plain took it to the Beavs, but this looked like the Beavs went into la-la land and never woke up. Not a good way for Canfield to go out. But I guess a weird silver lining is we got to see a bit of Katz, and yes I know it was in the waning moments of the game and all but I liked what I saw. This kid has an arm, can run, and seems to have some fire.
So yes hats off to the BYU seniors (lots of them on the starting team I noticed) for a solid and well played performance, you all came to play. But got to keep a little classy, not sure what all that was about in the fourth, especially after that head shot on Wheaton. Call me a poor loser, but I would have liked losing to you all a bit better (especially with the OSU alum at the helm) if it wasn't for some of the chippy and whiny stuff (yes I agree with you cloudydays). I'm sure there was some jawing on the field by the Beavs, but geez the OSU program gave you all a good deal of respect coming in.
Bigger hats off to the OSU seniors, you all gave us a series of great seasons and even with this loss you have helped make OSU a contender program for what I think will be years to come.
Really good season, horrible ending. But not going to dwell on it, I have a Beaver basketball game to attend tomorrow evening and I need to get my orange and black all on once again. Go Beavs!
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I am a little worried about the secondary headed into next year...
think the D-line will be okay. Still not sure on Katz, he has the physical tools needs the reads and touch. James is such a huge piece I really feel like the Beavs got to be ready for next year.
I don't know, I think the secondary will grow next year
I mean they had their moments both ways, and now the younger guys have a bit more experience. It didn’t come along like the offensive line did this season, but look at what let us down tonight? The offense.
The defensive line and secondary are really part of the same deal so I think they will both be better.
Katz, yep I hear you but at the same time he seems to give us some interesting, and promising, glimpses. I would love to get a young QB going early in the season and his career. He’s young for sure and we’ll have to be patient at times, if he becomes the starter, but I do like his attitude.
I still feel bad for Sean though, hell of a season (especially in the second half) and deserved a better send off, even if we loss tonight would have been nice to have him go down fighting and make it a classic type of game.
-RVM
Pathetic and Disgraceful
I got this out on the phone line, but that just wasn’t enough for how frustrated and disappointed I am. Normally I can find something positive to say about the team’s performance after a loss, but this one was simply terrible.
After Jacquizz fumbled the lateral back for the second BYU touchdown and things got tough, our Beavers just quit, rolled over, and waved the white flag for three quarters. The receivers dropped catches they should have made. The O-line let the Cougars set up camp behind them and roast s’mores and Rodgers brothers. The team found every way possible to draw yellow flags from the officials up and down the field.
I knew we were going to lose during the third quarter when the camera zoomed in on some OSU players. There are wet torches out there more fired up than they looked. Isn’t it telling when the last touchdown comes from Ryan Katz? It’s no surprise he did better well – he actually cared about being in the game at that point.
The Civil War loss was heartbreaking, but this Beaver massacre was revolting. If Coach Riley and the staff doesn’t light a fire under the team’s butt in the off season, the Boise State and TCU games next year will see a group in orange in black wet the bed on national TV.
What happened to my gutsy Beavers, the underdog team with heart?
I don't think
We quit after the fumble. For me, it was over after we got the Holding Penalty on the muffed punt for BYU. That was a killer.
Vegas Baby!
Let's compromise
We can call the fumble the two-week notice, and let that holding penalty be the quit :-p
Oh, yes I did forget this
The receivers dropped catches they should have made.
Very true, and yes I’m disappointed as shit big time, but nothing I can do about it all. Don’t beat yourself up too much over it all.
Though, “he actually cared about being in the game at that point,” if you watched the shots of Canfield I think he cared a lot about the game when they pulled him for Katz. I don’t know what happened to him in during the game for he just looked off and out of his zone until they really stepped up the passing offense. I don’t know maybe the dropped balls and not getting James going just threw him off.
-RVM
It was also a confidence thing
I think the players kind of quit believing, which might account for Canfield.
As much as I’m beating myself up here, I can’t help but think about how much more the team must be beating themselves up right now. But after that performance, I think we can all agree that they didn’t deserve to win tonight.
Yep, unfortunately I totally agree
I think we can all agree that they didn’t deserve to win tonight.
-RVM
My Thoughts
I totally agree in your assesment of BYU. They are a good team, but nothing special. I think we could of easily won this game.
I think this was a let down game. And honestly, I can’t really blame anyone. When you go from dreams of a Rose Bowl to 40 MPH wind in the Vegas Bowl, it’s just hard to get pumped up for a game.
BYU was WAY out of line in the final quarter. The whole team rushing over after their DB nearly took of Wheaton’s head was unaccetable. When your up by 24, show some god-damn class.
I’m REALLY excited for Katz next year. He looked great.
Tough way to end the year, but hey, at least it was entertaining. I’m still jacked for the TCU game next year, and for some Beaver Hoops and Baseball in the near future.
Go Beavs!
Vegas Baby!
thoughts on the game
Obviously this was incredibly disapointing. i think its a little strong to say they completely rolled over because the beavs did score first, but they were completely outplayed.
It couldve been a closer game if not for the holding call on the muffed punt, which took 6 points off the board, and the quizz “fumble”, which gave BYU a free touchdown. i hate to call out a specific player, but lance mitchell got burned time and time again tonight. the secondary was plain bad. offensively we looked ill prepared up front and the wind seemed to bug canfield a lot more than hall. hats off to the seniors. in the grand scheme of things, the outcome of a las vegas bowl doesent really matter. what DOES matter is that next year we get 18 starters back and katz looks like he could be a stud. shake it off and move on. go beavs.
cash rules everything around me CREAM get tha money dolla dolla bill yaaaaallll
by staceyaugmon4HOF on Dec 22, 2009 10:21 PM PST reply actions
Condolences from UO nation
This happened to us in 2005 after we were screwed out of a BCS bid.
You’ll be back.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Because when you only play 13 games
Each one is so important.
We also know what it’s like to get your ass kicked by BYU in the Vegas Bowl. We lost even worse than you did.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Yep, so true
But it is a bit funny though, going from one of the more proud of losses I can remember in the CW to one of the least proud of losses tonight. Hurts my head thinking about it all, but thanks for the support.
-RVM
After Boise State
You guys have NOTHING to complain about on losses. At least none of your guys started a fight.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
If you think it's annoying now...
wait until the “Pac 10 is crap” trash talk starts up from Big 12 and SEC dorks _
Oh wait, I don’t think it ever stopped so never mind. >_<
(thanks skywaker9 :-) )
We'll get the Pac-10s back
By beating Ohio State to start the new decade off right.2
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I hope so!
As bad as this loss was, I think a similar Oregon loss to Ohio State would be even worse. BYU was at least ranked higher than Oregon State and had a better record. On the other hand, Oregon is ranked ahead of Ohio State, and Ohio State is famous for losing big games. Plus USC already beat Ohio State at their place this year.
Just keep Blount under wraps if that happens this time, please :-x
good point
plus that loss to a 7 and 4 oklahoma team hurt the ducks a lot more, because they were being billed as a team that was one of the best in the nation. with the beavs already out of the rose bowl this game clearly didnt matter very much to them. winning this game wouldnt have changed anybody’s impression of the team or its season. win or lose this game, its another strong season where we didnt quite get to the top of the mountain. theres always next year.
cash rules everything around me CREAM get tha money dolla dolla bill yaaaaallll
by staceyaugmon4HOF on Dec 22, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Worst part
We were screwed out of a bid by NOTRE (Freaking) DAME….
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Ouch
I hate hate hate hate hate [insert Kefka FF 3/6 rant here] hate hate HATE Notre Dame!
stacey: Good attitude :) But I think it’ll be a week or so until I’m in the place mentally that you are.
True story
They had 2 losses, we had 1. Our SOS was higher but ND-affiliated voters in the Harris poll voted ND high and Oregon low (you can tell because they release the final votes) just enough to put them ahead of us.
I was honestly pissed about that one. I wasn’t that pissed in 2001, when we didn’t get a National Title shot since we would have probably gotten our ass kicked by Miami instead of having Joey Harrington go out with a big win over Colorado.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
i hope we schedule BYU in the near future
you would think a squad with a bunch of guys in their mid twenties would act like theyve been there before. cuz they have, like 5 times in a row.
cash rules everything around me CREAM get tha money dolla dolla bill yaaaaallll
by staceyaugmon4HOF on Dec 22, 2009 10:41 PM PST reply actions
LET DOWN
Maybe James and Jaquizz shouldnt have been out the night before auditioning for Cirque du soleil
that was the highlight of the night lol
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
Super Rodgers Bros.
#52
Heh.
I laughed at the funky-colored, skin-tight suits. My wife just said, “Look how muscular they are!” No more Spandex, guys! I want my wife to remember I exist! Hehehe.
by sangdorange on Dec 23, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I think that controlling our Rose Bowl destiny obscured that this years team wasn't as talented as last years
Trying to replace a group of players that includes 7 players who were drafted is tough. They weren’t able to find another dynamic offensive player to replace Sammie and the OL and defensive play wasn’t as good either.
Condolences to a classy program
I’m a BYU fan living in Oregon and married to a Beaver. I pull for the beavers in most of their games and appreciate their workmanlike attitude and record of success. Though I’m always happy when my team wins, I’d prefer it not come at the expense of a program that I respect so much.
Just some insight from the other side….
- BYU was really fired up before and during the game precisely because we all know how good a team we were facing.
- Most fans expected this to be a close one. It’s clear that OSU just had more trouble adjusting to the crappy playing conditions. If the game were played in better conditions, I’m sure Canfield would have found his rythm and it would have been closer.
- Lou and company were talking about how the two teams didn’t like each other, etc. But from the BYU fans perspective, I didn’t detect that. I was proud of our guys for playing fired up and finishing the game that way. My personal opinion is that when Scott Johnson (21) made that vicious-looking hit in the 4th Q, the cougars were just excited that he had broken up the pass. Plus some additional emotion from the mounting realization that they were going to win this game. If you look at the replay, it’s not nearly as bad as it seemed, he launched himself at the ball, and may or may not have grazed helmets with him in doing so. I really don’t believe it was anything more than solid agressive play. I understand if you disagree.
Anyway, good luck in the Pac 10 next year.
Thanks, and yes from my OSU perspective it looked a bit different
I can understand the whole getting excited but that seemed a bit excessive overall in celebrating and woofing it up to the receiver who is our freshman second teamer, who we are very excited about in the near future, and it built on other stuff I thought coming from the sideline. It also looked as if the play was properly broken up before he went high, and he did go high even if they “grazed” helmets. But really for me it wasn’t the hit, for that got penalized like it should and he was amped up I know, it was more the getting in Wheaton’s face and all. Celebrate and stuff after the INT for that was a better play, and don’t be a bunch of jerks to a young back up, BYU has a lot of older/senior experience and that seemed a bit junior league overall and it seemed like for three quarters it was pretty clean jawing back and forth and some minor shoving and BYU was letting their play speak more for itself.
Anyway, that’s a bit long winded in response, but for me (and assuming others here) this is why we got a bit PO’d about that play.
-RVM
oh, and to add on
Kind-of water under the bridge for me now. Was more cranky about it last night, more concerned about our overall poor play and thinking about next year and hopefully what they will bring us fans.
BYU came ready to play, no denying that and not often a Riley coached team is outdone like that in a bowl game, oh yes that was the first time!
-RVM
Fair enough
I thought Wheaton would have still made the catch if it weren’t for the 2nd hit. But it WAS too high and I didn’t complain (much :)) about the 30 yards in penalties assessed. I’ll admit I didn’t notice our players on the sidelines acting like chumps after the play, but then I wasn’t looking for it. I’m sure I would have been if it roles were reversed. Anyway, hopefully that won’t make too many OSU fans think poorly of our program.
as a third party, I didn’t think it was too bad. Yeah, the hit was illegal and the sideline was a bit too amped up but it represented a team wanting to be there. By that point in the game, the Beavs looked like they would have rather been in Pullman than in Las Vegas. When you have that huge amount of contrast, it’s going to look odd.
As a side note, I did think BYU was jawing a lot but it wasn’t anything I haven’t seen from Quizz the entire year.
--Dominic, Addicted to Quack
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Yep, but Quizz type of jawing is part of the field play and I have no issues with that and what BYU was doing out there on the field. If you want to shut them up shut them down, and OSU didn’t step it up. For someone like Quizz the defensive players know that and understand that fire (I really don’t think Quizz talks it up that much more than the main type of leader players out there for any team). When it seemed to become a bit overboard was all the sideline stuff and how they were jumping right in the faces of the players on the field. You know a bit like Boise State no? Remember how that all becomes excessive and non-play related?
-RVM
And again it wasn’t really the hit, that happens, and again it is in the field of play, refs took care of it. It was more the reaction towards Wheaton by those not involved in the play (I don’t think Quizz would have done that if he was on the sidelines). But you know how it is with us fans we get protective of our teams. Way it goes.
Remember I posted that initial post right after the game and I was pretty cranky. But I was not the only one who felt this way and now more just trying to explain maybe some of our reasoning (however emotional charged it may be!).
Thanks for the counter view and being pretty cool and even-handed about responding Karuk. Dominic, we’ll talk many times again Mr. “Third Party,” I’m sure!
-RVM
Quizz and James do talk more than most people
They have serious little-man syndrome. But I think its reverberated from the defensive players that tackle them
by The VD Special on Dec 23, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
James and Quizz
I do agree they talk a good deal, but that’s part of the game. I think also we see a ton of them so that’s why I wouldn’t be surprised if other players do a good deal of talking on other teams and we just don’t see a lot of it. Looked like BYU seemed well versed in the art of talking on the field!
-RVM
By the way
Some of the AtQ seemed a bit concerned about your quietness around here VD Special! You should give them all a good anti-UO posting for the holidays!
Seriously though, hope the break is going well.
-RVM
I had no problem with anything BYU did.
It was (supposed to be) a big time game, and the Cougars came with the fire and focus the game warranted.
But then unless it is truly dangerous of crooked, I’m from the Tom Jackson school of thought. “If you don’t like it, do something about it.” It’s no one else’s fault that doing something about anything that happened will have to wait until next year.
Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
Go Beavs!
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