Open Thread: USC at Oregon State
by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 11:41 AM PST
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PrintUSC Trojans at Oregon St. Beavers, Jan 4, 2009 2:30 PM PST
The Trojans are in the house this afternoon for Oregon State's second conference game. In football, we beat the Trojans 27-21 at Reser Stadium. Just sayin'.
Pregame: The Trojans aren't getting the same kind of publicity that other Pac-10 teams like UCLA, Stanford, and Arizona State are getting right now. But they're just as good. USC made a statement earlier in the week at Mac Court, where they trombled the Ducks in the second half after only leading by one at halftime. They went on to win by a margin of 21... read more about that game, and more about the Trojans, in my game preview.
USC has an extremely large game looming on the horizon next week against crosstown rival UCLA, but there's still some work to do in Corvallis. Quickly, here my keys to the game:
- Get into the Offense: This will probably be a key for most of the season, until we can get proficient at running CR's Princeston offense. A problem area in the UCLA game was that the Beavers were putting up quick shots early in the game, which led to fast breaks for UCLA. USC likes to get up and down the court, so giving the Trojans what they want would not be a good thing.
- Control the Boards: Quite frankly, if we want to win a Pac-10 game, we can't allow other teams easy access to the offensive boards. UCLA out-offensive rebounded the Beavers 12-4, which gave them easy second chance points USC has some size, and junior Taj Gibson is a rebounding machine.
- Find Consistency on Defense: The Beavers' zone approach didn't hold up well against UCLA, who made six three-pointers in the first half of Friday's game. The Trojans aren't as good of a long-range shooting team, and I don't think they have a guy like Michael Roll who can shoot the deep ball with such consistency. If we can play defense against the Trojans like we did in the first five minutes against UCLA, we'll be a lot better off.
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Just like against UCLA, I think my biggest fears are going to be realized..
We are getting better, make no mistake about it. Yes, a 20 point loss to UCLA is discouraging. But the simple fact is, we are getting out-talented. We do not have the skill or size to man up, and our zone defense is giving good shooting teams open shots. I feel that this is going to be the case for most of the Pac10 this year.
Next year will be better. And I’m not giving up on this year either. We may win some games. But don’t be surprised to see another goose egg in the Pac10 win column, purely because Jay John left the cupboard nearly bare.
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Also...
I remember CR saying something to the effect of “these players weren’t recruited to play my brand of basketball”… So not only are we not as talented, we’re playing out of our element, to some extent.
I doubt we’ll win as well, but I’m hoping we keep it close.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pumped
I don’t know about other people but I like these Sunday games. On Saturday there is to much going on to sit down for 2 hours and watch basketball. I would like to keep the thursday games though. I think if the Pac-10 switched to Thursday, Sunday games then we could drop FSN and get a contract with ESPN. I’m looking at the programming lineup today for ESPN and there is pool on all day long.
Looks like it will be a few more minutes till we get to watch on TV
There’s currently still 2:35 left in the Oregon/UCLA game.
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Pit Crew
They threw chalk up in the air like LeBron does at the beginning of the game and it got all over the floor. They didn’t tip it off for about 10 minutes after the scheduled start time so they could get it all cleaned up.
Wow, didn't see that.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
According to Gametracker, We're up 8-0.
Misprint? I’ll take it though!
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Schaftenaar has 5 of those points
Also a present surprise.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Daniel Hacket makes two free throws, and the Trojans are on the board.
Having a tough time against the 1-3-1 OSU zone. USC deploys a press, but Oregon State beats it, and goes up 10-2. Offensive foul by USC at the other end, and Oregon State has the ball, and the lead, 10-2.
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The backdoor pass seems to be working today...
But Omari travels after receiving a good pass from Roeland. USC turns the ball over at the other end. That’s their fifth turnover of the game. 10-2 Beavers.
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Another back door... Schaftenaar to Omari Johnson for a bucket.
USC hits their first field goal at the other end…. Beavers up 12-4.
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Taj Gibson dunks, is fouled by Omari.
He hits the free throw, and the Trojans cut the lead to five. With 12:15 remaining in the first half, it’s Oregon State 12, USC 7.
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Turnover on USC, and Tim Floyd will call time.
That’s USC’s sixth turnover. Back after the timeout.
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Marcus Johnson tips in a put back after Calvin Haynes is called for an offensive foul.
USC is closing the gap quickly. Daniel Hacket steals the ball from Tarver, and is fouled at the other end. OSU gets a steal of their own, but Wilkinson gets a block for USC. Turnovers everywhere at Gill Coliseum today.
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Marcus Johnson tips in a put-back, and is fouled.
USC now has a chance to tie the game on Johnson’s free throws.
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Johnson misses the free throw, and OSU turns the ball over at the other end.
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Keith Wilkinson tosses in a deep two for USC, and USC goes on top for the first time in the game.
OSU’s 12-2 lead has quickly evaporated. 11-0 run for the Trojans. USC has come back, and now leads the Beavers by the score of 13-12.
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Schaftenaar puts back his own miss, and the Beavers have their first FG in six minutes.
Roeland has 7, and the Beavers are back on top.
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Gibson puts in a lay-in for the Trojans, and USC is back on top: 15-14
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Daniel Hackett hits a three-pointer for USC
With 5:45 left in the half, it’s USC 18, OSU 14
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Daniel Deane misses from the baseline, and USC has a chance to extend their lead even further.
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Already 15 combined turnovers in the game.
And we’ve played 15 minutes.
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Schaftenaar is freaking beastly today.
He puts in another basket, and now has nine points in the game. USC leads 18-16.
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Oregon State started the game 3-3 shooting
Since, they’re 4-16.
Thanks to FSN for that graphic.
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Goaltending called on a Josh Tarver layup, and the score is tied at 18 with 3:25 left
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Shot clock violation on the Beavers... USC scores at the other end.
They regain the lead: USC 20, OSU 18
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Better game
Jake this is more what I was talking about in the UCLA game. They looked flatfooted in that game and this game they look aggressive and breaking to the ball quicker. And staying (for the most part) in their offense. Still need to block out on rebounds though.
-RVM
Yes, our defense is working better.
We’re still going to need to play a great second half, now that we’re down five, to pull this one out. However, this is definitely a huge improvement. And the crowd is loving it, even though we’re down five.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
totally agree
down five is not bad at all and playing our pace really, still in it right now, the BIG problem is UO was tied with USC at half and the Trojans ran all over them in the second
-RVM
by rvm on Jan 4, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing
We just need to take good care of the basketball. USC has turned the ball over a lot, but so have we. I didn’t look at the stats very closely on how USC ran away with the game against Oregon, but if we keep playing the way we’re playing and improve our ball-handling and rebounding, we should keep it close.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
yep
and I know this will sound a bit silly in way but even if the Beavs lose if we can stay with them like the first half I think it will go a long way to giving them the feeling that they can stay with the Pac-10 teams this season. As you noted opening with UCLA is a VERY tough way to start the league season.
-RVM
by rvm on Jan 4, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
and I think with this team and a new coach the mental will be very important this year.
-RVM
by rvm on Jan 4, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
And although it was mostly against their reserves,
I liked the way we played UCLA Friday in the second half. Granted, the game was over by halftime, but it goes to show that we can play competitively in this league. And it will send a message to the rest of the conference that we are capable of pulling an upset on any given day.
Right now, it looks like UCLA, USC, and ASU are turning out to be the creme of the crop in the Pac-10. If we can play with these guys, we should be able to play with UW, WSU, UA, etc.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Demar DeRozen scores for USC, and they take a 4 point lead with just over a minute left in the first half.
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Seth Tarver receives a nice pass down low, scores an easy bucket.
The USC lead is three.
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just like UCLA
too many second chances for the other team
-RVM
by rvm on Jan 4, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I know it.
Creating too many opportunities for USC.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
offense looking good though
when not taking quick shots, getting it down inside on nice passing
-RVM
USC slowly pulling ahead....
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Calvin Haynes hits from three as well...
42-35… and we’ve almost got a ballgame.
Gibson throws one down at the other end…. USC now up 11.
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Schaftenaar puts up a three as the shot clock winds down...
Josh Tarver called for a foul as he fights for the offensive rebound. Didn’t like the call… but it’s still a six point game.
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Playing much better today
Again aggressive and quick on D and for the most part sticking to the offensive game plan.
Still in the game if they can stay collected.
-RVM
by rvm on Jan 4, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
DeMar DeRozen cuts inside and is fouled.... he'll go to the line to try to complete the three point play.
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Ricky Claitt! for three!
OSU within five… and the fans at Gill go crazy…
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One the OSU can improve on is pushing the ball on fast breaks, IMO
They seem like they want to settle into the offense rather than look for an easy layup in transition. Maybe that’s what CR wants, but it seems like OSU could score more quickly that way, although it does risk turnovers.
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yep
and yes hard to tell if that is coaching or not
-RVM
by rvm on Jan 4, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, there was a fast break, and it was ugly.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Good defense possesion by the Beavers.
USC forced to throw up a three at the buzzer.
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and, OSU turns it over on the other end.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
he hits one of the FT's... six point game.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
GREAT BACKDOOR!!!
This offense is really pretty when it works well. Beavers down four.
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Indeed
Beavers have the momentum, the ball, and are down four with 2:25 left.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
I might be dreaming
but I say the Beavs actually have the advantage right now. Offense looks in control and like you said below USC is having problems on offense.
-RVM
by rvm on Jan 4, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
five second call!
damn
They almost had one earlier I thought too
-RVM
by rvm on Jan 4, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
most likely yelling at the TV...
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever we can get.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
This is a great game.
Claitt doesn’t look good, but that was a great steal.
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ROELAND FREAKING SCHAFTENAAAAAR!
It’s not over yet, but that was freaking huge.
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Did you see the crowd reaction in that slow mo?
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
1.4 now
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
I love our timer.
He’s definitely milking the clock. Too bad the officials are trying to get it right.
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Are you kidding me? Sweet!
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...and baseball
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like we've played well - what a great win
If we can hold on…is there a big crowd at GIll?
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Not huge, but they're definitely into this game
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
and points.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
didn't think so, but the guy choked.
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by Jake Bertalotto on Jan 4, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
no kidding
they keep getting them
but at least we got the TO
-RVM
by rvm on Jan 4, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Nice, I just found the radio broadcast on KPAM's website
I feel like I’m home for a change..
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59-57!
President of the Tijuana Beaver Nation Boosters Club - "We don't need no stinkin' touchdowns!"
WOWOW
President of the Tijuana Beaver Nation Boosters Club - "We don't need no stinkin' touchdowns!"
Oh my, oh my, oh my!
President of the Tijuana Beaver Nation Boosters Club - "We don't need no stinkin' touchdowns!"
No more fouls please
President of the Tijuana Beaver Nation Boosters Club - "We don't need no stinkin' touchdowns!"
WE WIN!!!!!!
President of the Tijuana Beaver Nation Boosters Club - "We don't need no stinkin' touchdowns!"
Sweet - can we just play USC at home in every sport all the time?!
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I didn't think we could win
Really, but like mannyfresh1 I’m very proud of this team, they totally stayed with the game plan and I can’t believe they held up and were even better in OT!
I thought I had to wait for baseball season?! :)
-RVM
Man, dare we hope this is the start of something?
At a minimum, it’s a PAC-TEN WIN against a very good team…I’m proud too…
President of the Tijuana Beaver Nation Boosters Club - "We don't need no stinkin' touchdowns!"
After this game (and not a totally horrible showing against UCLA) I think we can compete a good deal of the time.
-RVM
by rvm on Jan 4, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that could be the expectation, couldn't it?
That might cut both ways, but it has to make the team more confident which is something I haven’t seen for a couple of years
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New thread up
http://www.buildingthedam.com/2009/1/4/709039/beavers-win-beavers-win
Let’s enjoy this one, fellas.
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California Golden Bears
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Utah Utes
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Arizona St. Sun Devils
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Arizona Wildcats
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Washington Huskies
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California Golden Bears
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8 | 3 | 18 | 6 |
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8 | 3 | 16 | 7 |
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Oregon Ducks
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7 | 4 | 16 | 7 |
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Arizona Wildcats
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7 | 4 | 16 | 8 |
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Stanford Cardinal
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6 | 5 | 16 | 7 |
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UCLA Bruins
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6 | 5 | 13 | 10 |
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Oregon St. Beavers
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5 | 6 | 15 | 8 |
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Washington St. Cougars
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4 | 7 | 12 | 11 |
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Arizona St. Sun Devils
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3 | 8 | 7 | 16 |
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