Ranking the Pac10 Coaches
For the sake of this ranking, I am not going to put Paul Wulff (WSU) on this list because I have no idea where he would rank. It'll from the other 9 coaches that have coached at least a couple of seasons in the Pac10 (not necessarily with their current teams, such as Nieuheusel and Erickson)
1. Pete Carroll, USC
Hard to argue with a 76-14 record (average of more than 10 wins a year), 7 consecutive conference championships, 2 National Championships, 3 NC games, and what, 7 consecutive top 4 finishes, something like that. Not to mention he has a stronghold on recruiting. It doesn't matter if USC is 100 deep at QB, you better bet the best QB from southern California is going to be a Trojan.
2. Dennis Erickson, Arizona State
158-67-1 overall college coaching record. Yep, that's right. The guy has been around long enough to have experienced a tie (not too many of those coaches left). Add 2 National Championships and you have a premier coach. Erickson is said to be the guy that might be able to finally awake the sleeping giant at ASU and dethrone ol' Petey. We'll see.
3. Mike Riley, Oregon State
There isn's a greater example of doing more with less. While his record may not be all that impressive (47-38) and he doesn't have a big name bowl victory on his resume, he was the guy who kick started a program that had endured 28 consecutive losing seasons. His 2nd stint back has been pretty good, with 19 wins over the last 2 years. He consistently gets the best out of 1 and 2 star players.
4. Jeff Tedford, Cal
Aside from last year's meltdown (sparked by losing to unranked OSU when they were poised to take over the #1 spot!), Tedford has amassed an impressive 50-26 record, with 1 conference co-championship. His teams always seem to be prepared and ready, and expect no different for the future. Cal will be poised to be a top 15, top 10 team yet again.
5. Rick Neuheisel, UCLA
It was a struggle putting a guy who has a Pac10 Championship and Rose Bowl under his belt, but remember that at Colorado and UW he did so with a lot of violations. We'll see how he redeems himself at UCLA, but I think for right now #5 is a good spot.
6. Jim Harbaugh, Stanford
Hard to tell exactly where he's going to go with Stanford, but taking a team that was the laughing stock of the Pac10 the last few years and getting within a couple games of a bowl, all the while beating USC and Cal in the same season, hard to say the guy won't be a winner.
7. Mike Belloti, Oregon
Hear me out before you people start getting pissy. Yes his record is impressive (106-52, 1 Pac10 Championship, been to two BCS bowls). But Oregon fans, this is not the guy that is going to take your program to the next level. You have the best facilities in the nation, one of the top stadiums (I don't think so but ESPN the Mag does, so I'll run with it ha), and yet fail to win 10 games a year consistently. Yes, last year was a tough break, and he was probably on his way to coaching in a National Championship game, but 1 good year every couple years with years of mediocrity with all that UO has, isn't the indicator of a good coach. In my honest opinion, you fire Belloti and make Chip Kelley the head coach before he gets a huge money offer and goes elsewhere. That's the coach that takes you to the next level.
8. Ty Willingham, Washington
I hate putting Ty here. One of the class acts of college football coaching, does everything right. And I hated Notre Dame for the way he treated him, after all that he did at Stanford (those old enough to remember know how good Stanford was when he was there). But the guy has had his 5 years now, and he has one of the top QBs in the nation, and this is the year that UW needs to put up or get out.And honestly, I don't know if Willingham is actually a bad coach, or if he just coached when the Pac10 was as strong as it has ever been.
9. Mike Stoops, Arizona
If I could, I'd put Mike Stoops at 10th (or even 11th haha). He is by far one of the worst head coaches in the country. The guy has recruited amazing talent, amassed a pretty solid coaching staff, and still has only a 17-29 record (average of close to only 4 wins a year). Arizona has gorgeous weather and co-eds, yet still can't manage to win.
As I wrote this, I realized how many talented coaches there are in the Pac10. And when Ty Willingham and Mike Stoops get fired after this year, you better believe UW and UA are going to pay big bucks to get their programs back on track. This will be good for some teams, bad for others. Let's just hope your favorite program doesn't get lost in transition.
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I do agree with the Bellotti post
We all know Chip > Bellotti, but it’s not that easy. Chip has talked about if Bellotti were to leave, he might follow him. In that sense, Bellotti is also a good tool to keep the important pieces here.
I think you could also get away with swapping Erickson and Riley dude. I think we all know that Riley is a very very good and proven coach. Dennis Erickson did turn ASU around, but he’s been unsuccessful too many times for me to jump on his bandwagon.
I think you could’ve swapped Bellotti and Harbaugh or the Weasel, but I’m biased. Not for Bellotti, but against the Weasel.
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by butthol on Aug 21, 2008 5:51 PM PDT 0 recs
I think it’s too early to say that about Chip.
There’s 2 interesting things about oregon’s team this year: 1) finding out if Kelly is for real after Pac-10 coordinators have a year of game film to study and Dixon isn’t here to do all the ballfakes, and 2) how good/bad will the defense be—most ‘experts’ seem to think they’ll improve up front, but when was the last time they were even above average at those positions? It doesn’t seem like a well-coached unit, though they get a lot of sacks and force a lot of turnovers from facing the quarterback in their basic zone.
by CV3000 on Aug 21, 2008 6:13 PM PDT 0 recs
I originally did have Riley #2
But then I remembered that while he gave this program a kick start, it was Erickson who led a bunch of rag tag guys to the Fiesta Bowl blowout of Notre Dame, and Riley has yet to take this same program to a big bowl. I honestly think it has to do with recruiting. If he could do with 4 and 5 stars what he does with 1 and 2 stars, I think OSU could be a annual 10 win team. Just me though
by The VD Special on Aug 21, 2008 6:33 PM PDT 0 recs
You are correct.
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by butthol on
Aug 21, 2008 6:51 PM PDT
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If Riley
Does get OSU to a major bowl within the next 3 years, I think he will be considered one of the better coaches in the country, and will be getting big programs asking for his services, much like 2 years ago when Alabama and ASU and UCLA came crawling.
by The VD Special on Aug 21, 2008 7:24 PM PDT 0 recs
Yep
Think of the possibilities if he went to Bama or another SEC school, with the recruits they pull in traditionally.
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by butthol on
Aug 21, 2008 7:33 PM PDT
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No kidding
And he has Alabama ties, having played there under Bear Bryant. If he does ever decide to pack up shop, I’d have to be worried about the direction of our program at this point. I don’t think we’re high priority enough to get a really good current coach or a hot up and comer. Plus we don’t have the money that some other schools have. I just hope if Riley leaves, he leaves us in a good situation.
by The VD Special on
Aug 21, 2008 7:47 PM PDT
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Does Mike Riley have a son?
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by butthol on
Aug 21, 2008 8:02 PM PDT
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Not one
That could take over the program, if thats what you mean. He’s not like Bobby Bowden where he just breeds football coaches lol
by The VD Special on Aug 21, 2008 8:29 PM PDT 0 recs
Interesting that you put Riley 3rd
It was less than 2 years ago that beaver fans were ready to run the guy out of town on a rod, but now he’s the 3rd best coach in the conference? Just how orange are those goggles you’re wearing?
by TB-till-I-Die on Aug 21, 2008 10:50 PM PDT 0 recs
Ranking the Pac10 Coaches
Yeah no homer slant here…..what a joke! butthol? cv3000? Yeah that about sums it up! Building the Dam? Don’t make me laugh!!
by SpiderMacLeod on Aug 21, 2008 11:33 PM PDT 0 recs
I'm a Duck fan dude.
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by butthol on
Aug 24, 2008 10:08 AM PDT
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Just because a majority of fans think
That Riley needed to be fired, doesn’t mean I agreed. He had a bad year, and the year just got away from him. Just like Tedford this past year. Bad years happen. The less they happen the better. And butthol is a Duck Spider, so don’t know how he could be a homer for the Beavs…
by The VD Special on Aug 21, 2008 11:42 PM PDT 0 recs
There was not a "majority" of fans...
…it was a vocal minority, with a sign.
Seriously. Don’t allow the duck tards to perpetuate this folklore.
by CV3000 on
Aug 28, 2008 2:43 PM PDT
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once again all you beaver fans show your lack of objectivity and truly how little you know about football. I guess if you continue to have success the next 10 years that youve had the last 5 you will learn. Its a process and you are all still new to this semi success thing. Every major sports news agency and experts put bellotti in the top 15 or 20 nationally and yet you beavers put im 7th in the pac 10. thats so laughable. lol
come on, even all of you cant be so biased
by duckfan on Aug 22, 2008 9:42 PM PDT 0 recs
Did you see
Yeah, and they put Riley up there as well. You’re pissin’ in the wind if you think Belloti is a good coach. I know for a fact the team is run by Kelley and Allioti. And yeah, look at Belloti’s record against current Pac10 coaches, it’s down there around 6th or 7th. So, if head to head against the other coaches isn’t enough, I don’t know what is. Why are you so butt hurt about a random bloggers thoughts anyways? Must have really struck a nerve..
by The VD Special on Aug 22, 2008 9:58 PM PDT 0 recs
And did you
even read my reasons for putting Belloti? Yeah he should have been ahead of Harbaugh, but if you think you’re a national powerhouse, you’re going to have to win 10+ games more than every once a couple years.
by The VD Special on Aug 22, 2008 10:00 PM PDT 0 recs
We're not arguing that we're a national powerhouse
But we are arguing that our coach is better than friggin Stanfords. You have to give us that.
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by butthol on
Aug 24, 2008 10:10 AM PDT
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Bellotti over Harbaugh fer sheez.
As long as these standings are based on current/recent performance, I agree. If we’re judging a body of work, this Beav casts his vote for Bellotti being much further up on that list. He’s developed into more of a manager as of late and I must say that while he recruits well he doesn’t really have a knack for getting the most out of his players. A fair criticism would also be that the dude doesn’t come off as a warm personality over the TV or radio, but again, orange tinted glasses here.
by ArbyOSU on Aug 25, 2008 11:31 AM PDT 0 recs
Another whiney duck...
No offense, but you probably don’t follow the Ducks’ recruiting much. Nor have a time line in mind of when players are recruited.
Bellotti, in much of the same way as Riley, will get a LOT out of players. I wouldn’t expect anyone except die-hard UofO fans.
Luckily, the internet is here, and resources abound.
Here is a list of players that were rated to be 2 stars or LESS by scout.com, but were/are big play makers for Oregon:
- Terrence Whitehead (2nd Pac-10 Rushing in ’04)
- JD Nelson (Bronko Nagurski Trophy nominee)
- Garren Strong
- Jarius Byrd (2008 Pre-Season All-American; ’08 Thorpe Watchlist)
- Aaron Pflugrad
- Dante Rosario (TE for Carolina)
- Patrick Chung (’08 Thorpe Watchlist; ’04 Freshman All-American; ’05 All-Pac-10; ’07 All-American, etc. etc. etc.)
- John Bacon
- Max Unger (Two time All-Pac 10; ’07 All-American)
- Walter Thurmond III (’08 Thorpe Watchlist)
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by JShufelt on
Aug 25, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
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I am totally surprised by many of those.
Except John Bacon. I buy that.
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by butthol on
Aug 25, 2008 8:18 PM PDT
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Yah...
I can see Bacon being a 2 star, but he really did step up prior to injury. Our LBs as a unit weren’t strong.
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by JShufelt on
Aug 25, 2008 9:56 PM PDT
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Ah...
That was suppose to ironically say, “Doh! I forgot about the auto formatting.”
Whitehead and JD Nelson were 1 star. The rest were 2 star.
Go Duckies!
by JShufelt on
Aug 25, 2008 9:54 PM PDT
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honestly, it's mostly duck fans who don't realize...
…that their team is mostly 2 star guys
by CV3000 on
Aug 26, 2008 9:58 PM PDT
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Classic CV...
First some condescending definitions:
Truth
Research
Correlation
Causation
Reference
And I’ll get more if need be.
When people talk about you not telling the truth and all that… it’s because you make claims without citing any reference or accusations. Or if you do cite something, it is with no correlation or causation to your claim. For someone touted as a knowledgeable person, I’m disappointed.
Anyway, on to the dubunking…
All information is from scout.com.
Oregon 2005 Class: One 5*; Four 4*; Six 3*; Nine 2*; Two 1*
Oregon 2006 Class: Two 4*; Ten 3*; Eight 2*
Oregon 2007 Class: Eleven 4*; Eleven 3*; Seven 2*; One 1*
Oregon 2008 Class: One 5*; Six 4*; Twelve 3*; One 2*; one 1*
Over the last 4 years:
26% of the players are 4* or 5*
39% of the players are 3*
25% of the players are 2*
4% of the players are 1*
So either you made a claim without any research, or you don’t know the definition of the word “mostly”.
Go Duckies!
by JShufelt on
Aug 27, 2008 8:38 AM PDT
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allow me to yawn while you trip on yourself....
—yawn—
Does not citing something that’s true make that fact less true?
It’s both sad and counterintuitive that rampant methamphetamine use has left the citizens of Eugene too lazy to google. Alas.
—yawn—
by CV3000 on
Aug 28, 2008 2:48 PM PDT
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What's this...
Okay sure the Ducks have players ranked 2 and 3* that do good. But look at what Riley has done with walk-on’s….you have Mike Haas and now on the O-line a guy who wasn’t even recruited to play in the PAC-10 by the name of Mike Remmers.
by SeanMc on
Aug 28, 2008 8:42 AM PDT
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I was refering to this...
I must say that while he recruits well he doesn’t really have a knack for getting the most out of his players.
Riley is awesome at getting a lot out of his players. I would almost dare to say the best in the nation, but Bellotti isn’t a chump with it either, unlike what ArbyOSU said.
I’m not comparing Bellotti to Riley. I never said I was.
Go Duckies!
by JShufelt on
Aug 28, 2008 10:32 AM PDT
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Maybe what Arby was referring to was...
…that Bellotti rarely gets the most out of his “highly recruited” players. He’s not really very good at that.
How did Jonathan Stewart get out of Eugene with a single 1,000 yard season? Why was Cameron Colvin’s career the equivalent of Mike Hass’s 2 best games? Why were there 2 defensive backs with more than 100 tackles last year, if the players in front of them are so talented? I could go on, but there’s no need.
The fact is that recruiting service “rankings” and “stars” are largely based on a high school player’s participation in so-called recruiting combines, which depend on how much money the player has to travel all over the place and how badly they need to satisfy their individual ego by being highly ranked. The rankings are often good at evaluating players’ straight-line speed, and whether they fit a stereotypical position archetype, but that’s about all.
Players move up the “rankings” sometimes only because certain programs are recruiting them. Why? Because fans of those teams pay money to read the recruiting service rankings. How do you think Notre Dame always has such highly ranked players? Why is it that Duke basketball always has the top recruiting class? Considering that we know there to be only 4 players on the entire Lane County All-Stars ducks team who run faster than a 4.7 40 yard dash, and the fact that they’re 9-9 in conference over the past 2 seasons, is there a single rational person left in the entire world who thinks that there is anything to suggest anything other than mediocre talent on the roster in Methtown, USA?
James Rodgers ran a 10.3 100 meters in high school and was a 1st team all-state player in Texas for 2 years in a row. Recruiting services rated him: 1 star. He led the NATION in YPC as a true freshman (and had better freshman year stats than Jonathan Stewart, by the way).
Victor Butler and Slade Norris were both lightly recruited WIDE RECEIVERS. Norris was a walk-on. Butler was a kick returner in high school. They are now the top returning pair of defensive ends in the entire country.
How does an undercapitalized website rank the potential of thousands of players across the country each year? Not all that well, obviously.
by CV3000 on
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