Today's Poll
Say UCLA shocks USC and defeats them on Saturday. That creates a three way tie atop the Pac-10, and by way of tiebreakers, the Beavers go to the Rose Bowl.
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Special = not as much, but still enough so for it still rewards a damn good season overall
Same meaning = no, relying on another team to lose to get in doesn’t hold the same meaning
Go = yes, I will still try and make it happen, but I very much doubt it will play out this way for SC will most likely close the deal with a solid win
-RVM
by rvm on
Dec 2, 2008 11:08 AM PST
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It would definitely ease the pain from the CW, that’s for sure. But no, it would definitely not feel the same.
by mannyfresh1 on
Dec 2, 2008 11:13 AM PST
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If USC loses, Oregon State has every right to be proud and to play in the Rose Bowl.
It's spelled "S-h-u-n-b-o-w-l"
by JShufelt on
Dec 2, 2008 11:42 AM PST
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While I do agree in part
Reverse the situation and think about how you would feel. It is difficult right now for you all are riding a huge high, but think about it. That was not the way to finish. If it was a close loss then I would be personally more rah-rah about USC losing, but it wasn’t.
-RVM
by rvm on
Dec 2, 2008 11:45 AM PST
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I completely understand, but you guys have had a stellar season regardless. Of course it doesn’t mean as much for you guys – but it doesn’t mean your season isn’t as impressive.
It's spelled "S-h-u-n-b-o-w-l"
by JShufelt on
Dec 2, 2008 11:47 AM PST
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Plus
If USC loses to freaking UCLA they do NOT deserve to play in the Rose Bowl. Period.
Death before Dishonor.
by MarineCorpsDuck on
Dec 2, 2008 12:47 PM PST
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If USC loses...
I don’t think any Pac-10 team should go to the Rose Bowl.
--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
by jtlight on
Dec 3, 2008 9:39 AM PST
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The poll has two different question and you can only choose one=fail
It would still be special and I would definitely be going to pasadena. El Paso? no thank you
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on
Dec 2, 2008 3:13 PM PST
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I voted yes
But I would have preferred to party with you guys.
pax et amor
by jtothep on
Dec 2, 2008 3:15 PM PST
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It lost its luster after losing the Civil War
Maybe it’s just me, guys, but a Rose Bowl after losing to Oregon just doesn’t matter. Plus, at 8-4, we don’t deserve a BCS bid.
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on
Dec 2, 2008 3:32 PM PST
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Still Will Go
I still will go but it won’t be as special.
by ConnorOSU on
Dec 2, 2008 4:06 PM PST
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Crappy either way
First: I will admit, I’m a duck grad. But I like you guys, so I read your blogs.
If USC loses to UCLA, they don’t deserve to go to much of anything. UCLA is gaaaaarbage. But USC has the amazing ability to lose to horrible teams.
But honestly. Not much was expected of you, or us. But even still, you were so dominated (Quizz or not) that you don’t deserve to go to the Rose Bowl. For as prestigious of a accomplishment as the Rose Bowl is, I only really think USC (obviously after beating UCLA) should go, Ducks after beating your crew (a great accomplishment, I give you all that) only kind of deserve to go.
But honestly, if ucla SOMEHOW loses, do you really deserve to go to the rose bowl when the offer was in front of you and you got so thoroughly defeated?
by carl12538 on
Dec 2, 2008 10:33 PM PST
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They absolutly deserve to go
The top team in the conference is the top team in the conference and the Rose Bowl will take that team. I would hope that getting to the Rose Bowl would be just a special for anyone who gets there regardless of the journey. The door to the Rose Bowl for the Beavers hasn’t been completely shut yet and they didn’t get there by doing nothing. The Ducks went with an 8-3 record. Are you telling me that the Beavers shouldn’t go with an 8-4 record, one of those victories being over SC?
Have you hugged a Beaver today?
by DeltaDuck on
Dec 2, 2008 11:48 PM PST
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My two-cents
In defense of the Beavers (for I can’t keep letting the Ducks defend us!), yes it is not based on one (or even two games) it based on the entire season. So, interestingly enough I think by the comments here and the vote above that most Beavs fans don’t think we deserve it, and yes I have my questions too. But what is strange is that the Beavs fans seem to be the most down on the season now but things like the polls/voters and writers are giving us a broader more positive outlook on the season. Interesting reversal!
So, let’s say USC does lose to UCLA. Here’s how I personally would break down the teams “deserving” to go:
OSU
Against: Loss to UO and Stanford. Loss in a big way to PSU. Loss to Utah hurts but not as bad for it was close. Couldn’t start and end the season.
For: Beat USC and Cal. Won the conference games they needed to win (up to UO game) and the road win at UA was huge. Strong non-conference schedule (Hawai’i not a big time win but still not a bad one, and did play PSU and Utah on the road). Consistent middle of the season.
UO
Against: Not as strong non-conference schedule (yes playing Utah State and Purdue hurts them on this count). Overall conference performance not as strong as OSU and USC (lost to USC and Cal when both games were needed). Inconsistent (especially the D).
For: End of the season surge and of course beating ranked OSU on the road. Overall record is impressive (only non-conference loss is to unbeaten BSU). Lost only one really bad game score-wise (USC). Offense (for the most part) has been strong this season.
USC
Against: Losses to UCLA and OSU. General consensus was they are the best and should win the conference easily and did not (but I think with the way the Oregon schools are playing SC better get used to this-IMHO). Also not a very strong non-conference schedule.
For: Beating Ohio State. Overall level of the wins has been very strong (except for UA who they only beat by 7). Non-conference schedule was not horrible, for Virginia and ND are not suppose to be that bad so not really USC’s fault (they had no Idahos or Utah States filling up spaces). Defense = one of the best in the country this year.
So that is my opinion and nothing more, for as you can see a ton of subjective measurements. Who ends up going? I would say that the non-conference games were close enough in opponent strength that I would go with overall record and give it to USC. I think OSU gets a bit of a nod over UO because of our overall Pac-10 performance, but yes the Ducks this last game did make this argument a bit harder to defend but I still believe this.
jtlight has an interesting point above that maybe no Pac-10 team should go, I actually kind-of see that point but will disagree. Doesn’t an ACC team get a BCS invite for winning their conference (I could be wrong but I thought so)? I don’t think the Pac has been as strong as recent years, but also have some pride in the conference. On a given day I think any team down to, and including, UA can give most teams around the country a game, but yes the problem has seemed to be that on the other given days we all lose or barely beat the teams that shouldn’t be giving us games.
Personally this year I don’t think OSU or UO are quite “ready” for this type of match up (a top five BCS team), but do think that both teams (especially the Beavs!) will be back in the hunt and sooner or later will be ready.
Take that all as you will.
Lastly:
I only really think USC (obviously after beating UCLA) should go
By the way for this I don’t think anyone here would argue, and if that is what you are implying I’m not sure why the point had to be made.
-RVM
by rvm on
Dec 3, 2008 10:28 AM PST
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And for the record
I think the above is pretty much “fantasy” football stuff, for I think USC will have no problem even if they are penalized for their cocky uniform fetish. So it is all really moot.
-RVM
by rvm on
Dec 3, 2008 10:32 AM PST
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Here's a thought
Because I think the 8-4 record is what everyone is dwelling on, myself included
Take the fact that we went 1-2 in non-conference into question: the 2 losses were to top 10 teams with a combined 23-1 record ON THE ROAD. Now, had we played an easier schedule (I’m not pointing fingers at anyone, its hypothetical) and went 3-0 in non-conference and were 10-2 instead, would we still be saying we don’t deserve to go? I think our record is misleading. We still went 7-2 in the conference, which is a good accomplishment
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on
Dec 3, 2008 2:09 PM PST
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Oh and RVM
Non-conference schedule was not horrible, for Virginia and ND are not suppose to be that bad so not really USC’s fault
While you can’t “blame” a team for scheduling an easy non-conference schedule, because like as you said, it wasn’t their fault that they were supposed to be better, you still can’t give them credit for playing easy teams
For example, let’s say we schedule Alabama next year, and we win 38-0. Then Alabama proceeds to go 0-12. You can’t count it as a solid win, just because “we didn’t know”
I support Takimoto in his effort to support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
by The VD Special on
Dec 3, 2008 2:12 PM PST
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I’m just saying it was not a “horrible” schedule and they weren’t scheduling total push overs. Plus I guess I should have added they took care of those teams without a problem, for I think the “not USC’s fault” was misstated on my part. And like you said above we went 1-2 and the Ducks went 2-1 while the Trojans went 3-0. They did what they needed to do non-conference and the Oregon schools did not really.
But in you scenario I would still count beating Alabama higher than beating a team like Utah State or Idaho. That’s my main point there.
-RVM
by rvm on
Dec 3, 2008 2:29 PM PST
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