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BtD Collaborative Power Poll, Week 10

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We've started a little project we're calling the "BtD Collaborative Power Poll," in which we will give a select group of you the oppertunity to cast ballots to determine our site-wide weekly top 10. A small group was selected for this week's poll. If you haven't been invited by e-mail yet, don't worry. I'll be trying to get the word out to more readers this week, but if you can't wait that long, shoot me an e-mail.

Now, this week's poll:

Team Points
1 USC 60 (6)
2 Oregon State 50
Cal 50
4 Arizona 40
5 Oregon 35
6 Stanford 32
7 Arizona State 23
8 UCLA 20
9 Washington 12
10 Washington State 6

 

Voters: The comment thread is all yours to post your ballots if you wish, defend your selections, and debrief the final publication. Non-voters: Complain at your own risk. 

And happy election day, by the way.

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How did Washington State get votes?

The really should have an * next to WSU that their points were given by default.

I was tempted to give OSU a first place vote since they have beaten USC but a loss to Stanford is worse then a loss to OSU….My eyes have just gone crosseyed.

by beavers415 on Nov 4, 2008 7:33 AM PST reply actions  

They got 6 10th place votes.

Slight typo in the table, but it’s fixed now.

--JB--

by Jake Bertalotto on Nov 4, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

How my ballot read, if anyone cares

1. USC
2. Arizona
3. Cal
4. Oregon State
5. Stanford
6. Oregon
7. Arizona State
8. UCLA
9. UW
10. WSU

I still think we are one of the best teams in the Pac 10, but our inability to spot the long pass is going to hurt us against pass happy teams such as, drumroll please, ARIZONA (#2) and CAL (#3)

We’d do ourselves a huge favor going into Pasadena this weekend and getting a somewhat decent road win

Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive

by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2008 9:09 AM PST reply actions  

I wouldn't put Arizona that high

just because they will be outcoached in almost everygame they play.

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Nov 4, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

And by spot, of course I mean stop

Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive

by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2008 9:10 AM PST reply actions  

No, no, no. The strategy is to not get scored on with the deep ball in order to live to play run defense.

When it comes to the long passes, our defenders are defending against getting beat over the top and getting scored on in one play.

We can’t stop efficient, senior quarterbacks running a 2-minute offense. Other than that, we’re fine.

If Rudy Carpenter and Mark Sanchez and Brian Johnson can’t pick apart the Beavers and actually build a lead that their defense can sit on in the first 3 quarters, then I’d say the Beavers are doing pretty well against the pass overall.

The Washington game was an anomaly. The passes were deep, but they were poorly thrown. Huskies were 4 for 11 on those lollipops and couldn’t turn them into points. Of significant note, there was no run after the catch.

Arizona doesn’t bomb it anyway, they’re a dink and dunk possession team trying to make the game as short as possible for their defense…that’s why they’ve been so bad until Tuitama’s senior year—it sounds good on paper, but it’s pretty tricky for a college QB to really be able to make that work.

Cal is a savvy team, and they probably have a good run defense, but they haven’t really played anyone. We’ll know more about them this weekend.

Roses are Orange.

by CV3000 on Nov 4, 2008 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

I'll agree with most of what you said

But Arizona lives off the big play. Tui has the arm to go deep and if Stoops has any semblance of intelligence, that’s exactly what he will do. I think what’s most frustrating is most of our secondary is 3-4 year starters and you’d think they’d be making better plays when the ball is in the air like that. UA may be a “dink and dunk” team like you mention, but generally it is to lure the defense forward for the deep ball. Our DBs are going to have to be at their best that day.

Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive

by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

thank you

this is what i was saying in the post game thread this past weekend but others dont seem to see it. if we have let washington and arizona state have that much effectiveness throwing the football then how in the hell are we going to stop arizona and cal? washington and arizona state have a combined record of 2-14 and only combine to average about 431 passing a game. We allowed 493 yards combined to those two teams and it should have been more if it weren’t for a bad no pass interference call at the end of the arizona state (sorry but lets face it, it was). i think this has to be something that concerns beaver fans as we move forward….

by beavsfan10 on Nov 4, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

If AZ is going to tear our DB's apart, what is going to happen to the D-Boyz?

VD, if what you’re saying is true then the ducks are going to be throttled in AZ in a couple weeks.

To be continued….

by beavers415 on Nov 4, 2008 10:40 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not saying they are going to tear us apart

But I am saying that we need to approve. I don’t think anyone would disagree with that.

Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive

by The VD Special on Nov 4, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Improve, yes...

The key to the Beavers is to improve every week. In order for OSU to beat UCLA this week they need to improve everything. Their blocking, their passing, their running, their pass rush, their run defense, their pass d, their special teams (really crucial BTW) and even their coaching.

IMPROVE EVERY WEEK!

by beavers415 on Nov 4, 2008 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not a fan of The Duck...

…but I had them ahead of UA. One less special teams muff and Cal would be on the wrong side of UO in the standings. So I couldn’t justify ranking any team different than their current standings. I still can’t figure out why UO has not learned from the sins of the past as it pertains to an offense that features a scrambling QB and then the next thing you know is they are auditioning for QBs from the student body. Roper is underwhelming, so maybe this plays into others ranking UA higher than UO.

Regarding the aspersions being cast on OSU’s defense of the long ball, I note as others have that the completed passes have been well thrown balls hitting guys in stride. (Except for those UW hail-marys.) It’s not like there have been a lot of wide-open guys on crossing routes with assignments being blown. As CV noted, no run after the catch. I’m not sure I agree with those who would say the blame lies in defenders not turning to look for the ball. In my experience, this is exactly what coaches tell you NOT to do. Your best move on such a well thrown ball is to rip it at the moment of catch. Not easy, but it’s hard to coach guys to look back for the ball in such a way that that particular move comes at exactly the right moment. Receivers have all kinds of ways of false telling the incoming ball, the idea being to get the defender to look back just before the cut. Makes plenty of DBs look stupid. The speed of receivers combined with precise passes at the college level means the crap some guys did in high school just doesn’t play in the bigs. I welcome the thoughts of others on this.

by Joe A. on Nov 4, 2008 10:11 PM PST reply actions  

I’m not sure I agree with those who would say the blame lies in defenders not turning to look for the ball. In my experience, this is exactly what coaches tell you NOT to do. Your best move on such a well thrown ball is to rip it at the moment of catch.

This is interesting because I’ve wondered about what is being coached to do since it does seem so regular. It drives me crazy watching it that’s for sure, but thinking about it it actually makes sense because if one loses track of the receiver on a well thrown ball it could be much worse than tracking the receiver and getting there when the ball does, and Carpenter was throwing some good ones and I agree he is a good and experienced QB despite the overall team play this year. And as also noted above at the worse what happens when tracking the receiver is that the tackle is made instead of a long TD and at best the ball is knocked out as it reaches the receiver’s hands. This makes me rethink some of my thoughts about this coverage (still hard to watch though I just have to be honest!).

I will say I still just don’t see the three alarm fire on the defense right now, and your comments reinforce my views. I also still think the biggest issue against ASU was when we did not get pressure on Carpenter for basically anytime he had to move at all he did not throw it well.

-RVM

by rvm on Nov 4, 2008 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that this will resolve itself this week.

We learn something about Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, and Stanford this week, all teams that we have huge questions about.

Is Cal a legit team? Can Oregon State play well away from Reser? Is Stanford a fluke, or will UO finally beat a decent team?

This week, though, seemed pretty easy. I had OSU at second entering the weekend, and though they didn’t blow the Sun Devils out, it’s hard for me to downgrade them because of a close win. If anything, this team needed to win a close game to learn how to win in the face of adversity. Cal beat UO in a sloppy game, and I had already decided that the winner would rank 3rd and the loser would come in 5th.

Arizona played SC tough… I guess that is the hardest team for me to pinpoint. I would probably have them tied at third with Cal, but if I had to pick one, I’d go with Cal, for now. They didn’t lose at home to Northern Arizona.

1. So Cal
2. OSU
3. Oski’s Bears
4. ’Zona
5. Duckies
6. ’furd
7. Devils
8. Teddy bears
9. Puppies
10. Wazzu might be the worst team in the modern era of the Pac-10. With a good chunk of conference schedule remaining, they have already set the record for most points allowed in Pac-10 play. (for those who are curious, Cal held the record, setting it the year before Tedford was hired)

This week will definitely separate the pretenders and contenders. I have a feeling Cal’s quarterbacks will struggle against SC.

Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave

by Cablinasian on Nov 4, 2008 10:45 PM PST reply actions  

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