Civil War Thoughts
by The VD Special on Nov 30, 2008 10:41 AM PST
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PrintWhat can you say? That was a tough loss. A horrible loss. I couldn't believe it as I was watching it. We came out flat, and could never recover, plain and simple. Give Oregon credit, they did exactly what they needed to do. We gave up too many big plays. How many times did we have them on 3rd and long, only to give up a play of 50+ yards? The one that sits in my mind was 3rd and 9 from Oregon's 15, a pass down the sideline that Hughes could have (read: should have) intercepted, only for a great catch and scamper for a touchdown. I don't know what happened to our defense last night, but it hurt watching them. This wasn't the way it was supposed to go down. This wasn't how Sammie, Levitre, Speer, Norris, Butler, Afalava, Hughes, and Lewis were supposed to end their careers, losing by 27 at home to the Ducks. I feel bad for all the seniors.
For the record, I don't/didn't care about the Rose Bowl. Was it awesome being a part of that? Absolutely. But if, before the year, you told me we would finish 8-4 and 2nd in the Pac10, I would have said "that's a solid finish. Not great, but definitely not bad" But if you told me it included a 27 point home loss in the Civil War, I probably would have just sat this year out. And you know what, I don't think we're over rated. We just had an awful game. AWFUL game. Offensively, we played alright. 450 yards and 38 points. If you would have told me that's how it was going to be at the start of the game, I would have been really pleased. But then I would have said "you're an idiot" if you told me that we would give up 700 yards and 65 points.
All that being said, I don't want to hear any excuses from Beaver fans. Sure, Quizz could have made a difference in ball control. Sure, the refs blew a couple calls. But while the score was close for a while (back and forth) and we were never technically "out" of the game, did it ever really feel like we were in it? I never thought so. Everytime we scored, Blount and Johnson would go off and take all the wind out of our sails. And Duck fans, I hope a 27 point win at Reser can do all the talking for you. I hope that your class shines through what could be the worst home loss for the Oregon State program B.R. (Before Riley).
We still have a lot to play for. We still have a Sun Bowl against what could be a very qualified opponent. 9 wins isn't out of the reach. But man, does this one hurt. As always Go Beavs!
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Anyone know who our Sun Bowl opponent might be?
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Nov 30, 2008 11:04 AM PST reply actions
The only reason
we are having this conversation about class is because CV3000 and some others started shit talking. They started it and now we’re finishing it. That doesn’t change the fact though that the majority of people over here DO have class and ARE thoughtful bloggers.
Boo you Mike Stoops! Boo you!
true
I have to agree, a proud fan just can’t allow someone like CV to spout off without a little payback. He really does make it easy to get down on his level. Must admit that I do love to stick it to a loudmouth.That said, its over and it feels so good to get one back. Christmas came early for the ducks. The most fun we have had in a long time,fantastic! Good luck to the bowl bound Oregon teams!
Yeah, who doesn't like sticking it to a loud mouth
My point is that 65-38 should say all you need to say. Anything more then that is just arrogant
Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive
by The VD Special on Nov 30, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
By that token, couldn't CV have just said 38-31 this whole time?
But he didn’t.
Alright time's up lez do this...
Agreed
But other then CV, how many other fans come on here and do that? None that I’ve seen
Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive
by The VD Special on Nov 30, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
And I would like to add
That this is not a CV post, so lay off, if you want to take it to someone specific don’t do it round about through someone else who is giving you all some respect. Take it to the source and let the others have a bit of space to talk about this.
-RVM
When do we get a CV post?
How are you guys surviving without an editor?
He needs to stand up, or you all need to shut him up next year
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Nov 30, 2008 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
Congrats to OSU on a very good season
I am a Duck fan, but I remember how I felt when OSU beat us at home last year. I know how they must feel today. I hope the wounds heal fast and you come out strong in the Sun Bowl. Best of luck, Beaver nation!
Condolances, Beavs
Must have been truly brutal. I was finally able to tune in in the fourth, and immediately felt how rough it must have been for you all game. It’s really hard to stop that duck run—they’re so committed to it, and seem so versatile with it.
I’m also bummed we won’t be partying together in pasadena and that now we’ll have to face those sunbaked snobbie trojans fans (that’s what I hear; I’ll give them a chance of course; it just sounds like they’re similar to F$U fans.
Keep your chins up and enjoy the next couple years of watching Jacquizz run. Good luck in your bowl!
jp
pax et amor
If...
I’d classed all Penn State fans in with the yahoos we were stuck with at the Kick-off Classic at the Meadowlands in 2000, I’d have a very poor opinion of you all indeed. But I’ve worked with a bunch of top-notch Penn State fans since, so I know better. Assuming that SC beats UCLA, you’ll have a chance to see that we’re not all like the stereotypes…
Cheers and hopefully see you all in Pasadena.
As for the Beavers fans: believe me, I’ve got a good idea how this feels – in fact, if SC goes to sleep on UCLA next week I’ll get it again. You’ve got a great coach and a good team, and hopefully the Beavers will have a solid bowl experience wherever you end up.
Beaver Fans (aside from CV3000)
Great year..I know this must sting but the you had a great season and still have a lot to play for. Good luck in which ever bowl you play in. By the way the stadium atmosphere from the Beaver fans was awesome. A far cry from the old Parker Stadium days.
Go Ducks
Unfortunately CV is one of the main contributors of this blog, so you are going
to get a lot of crap because of his antics this year. You play with fire when you have a blogger with his style and so I have no sympathy for the barrage of negative posts coming your way.
Well said ppilot. CV3000 talked a lot of yang all year and then we stomped a mud hole in his team. Time to pay up.
As much as I agree with paying up
It is fine line between making someone eat their trash and just using it as an excuse to spew your own. Hope you all consider which side of that line you fall. For as what is happening with CV and others: What goes around comes around, and so on and so on…
-RVM
Nicely stated posting
I agree with your most of your assessment and feelings VD Special, though the Rose Bowl did mean a lot to me. It was so close and with USC in the league we don’t get many chances at this, so this was in the team’s hands and it hurts more they didn’t finish it stronger (even a closer lost would’ve have been nice). I will say I think next year will be good and I think we may well be looking at something special the year after when Quizz is a junior and James a senior (just my feelings and a long way to go but nice to even have these feelings).
That all said I really think the below sums it up well, we still need to finish this season strong. Hey the voters are still giving us respect I believe we deserve this year and we’re still in the top 25. We the fans need to see this too!
We still have a lot to play for. We still have a Sun Bowl against what could be a very qualified opponent. 9 wins isn’t out of the reach. But man, does this one hurt. As always Go Beavs!
P.S. = Maybe Notre Dame again? You got to be freakin’ kidding…
-RVM
That sucks
because Notre Dame doesn’t doesn’t belong in a bowl game period. You guys deserve a better opponent. But hey, you could really take some aggression out on them. You’d have all of Duck nation behind you for sure!
no kidding!
I saw it is projected as Pitt right now, that would be better, revenge for that bad Bowl loss during the DE years, which would be nice and a plain better opponent. I agree how is ND even being considered?
-RVM
The Sun Bowl Selection Process
They have a special agreement with ND to select them if eligible.
It's spelled "M-A-R-C-H-I-N-G-B-A-N-D."
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That sucks so bad
Beating Notre Lame would feel, almost, just not fulfilling at all
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by The VD Special on Nov 30, 2008 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
Beav fans, among who I count some people in my family I love alot
congrats on a great season. I had much lower expectations for the squad. The USC win was inspiring.
I’d root for you no matter which bowl/opponent you pulled. If it is ND, I will actually watch! Kill them if you get them
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
Class
Funny to listen to CV talk about class. I hope you have the stones to troll all the blogs out there and take your beating like a man. You’ve been an arrogant C sucker all year long with your comments and now it’s payback time.
As for the rest of Beaver County…a tough loss for sure but as you can see the Ducks have a ton of weapons and when they are clicking they are unstoppable. The extra week off helped and I think the underdog role provided a ton of motivation. I won’t say that the Beavers were overconfident, but for a team that lives on the blue collar, underdog role I think they were a little out of sorts with all the expectations upon them, ESPN in town, all the Rose Bowl talk, etc…
true, but...
even though the Ducks got us in a big way yesterday, I wouldn’t take that one too far for I think the numbers support another story about November.
Anyway, I agree with the second half of your post above about the clicking offense and underdog role.
-RVM
eh
Oregon has had very good, and very bad Novembers Under Bellotti. I don’t think that’s indicative of much long term. Some teams of progressed, and some have regressed, as the season has gone on. This is how it works for most coaches.
In a few years, Riley has done very very well in Novembers. he has also done very poorly in September. Does this mean he’s a great end of season coach? Well, In the one of the most important games of Mike Riley’s tenure, OSU gave up 694 total yards to the school rival, with a Rose Bowl on the line.
And who the hell knows what that means for him as a coach.
--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
I just don't want any revision to be happening!
That all of the sudden the implication that UO owns Novembers (that was my reading of it, sorry if was more of a one time dig at yesterday for I’ll take that). Not saying OSU does own Novembers, but the record is pretty solid overall, not great but solid. If anyone owns Novembers of late it is that school down south…anyway there has been a good deal of heavy handed criticism about Bellotti from your fan base about finishing. I would think this year might quiet some of that, but you can’t rewrite that all with one game (see more about my opinion about one game below).
That’s all, I’ll take the knocks about the game yesterday, but don’t like longer standing history to be implied somewhat differently than I believe.
Okay, on to Riley, yes it was indeed a terrible showing. But let’s just say don’t sell him or his teams short. This was a very new situation for his tenure, VERY NEW, I don’t think we can judge this game yet in regards of the Riley years until all is said and done. Was it a one time deal? Was it indicative of something more problematic? I don’t think it is fair to say either one yet.
Okay, as you can tell I’m getting a bit tired of the stuff flying around on this post. As you might know I have a grumpy mode.
But impressive win yesterday and I hope the Ducks also show up that way in the bowl game, I’m tired of hearing of how great the mid-West football is from my in-laws!
-RVM
Oregon doesn't own november....
I didn’t criticize Bellotti for Novembers…I think there are very reasonable reasons for the losses. But then again, not all college football fans are reasonable.
And I agree on Riley. I think he’s a good coach. It’s a very new situation. And his team got beat.
But I also think that coaches don’t matter NEAR as much as we make them.
--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
But I also think that coaches don’t matter NEAR as much as we make them.
How so? Interesting comment
-RVM
I more mean in games...
College football is about recruiting and motivation. Game plans, etc. are important, but are so hit or miss, and very few coaches are actually great at that.
Some games things go well, some games they don’t.
--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
In college I think they do
Riley didn’t get his guys prepared, for whatever reason. I’m not gonna lay the entirety of the blame on him, but you could see, he absolutely got out coached yesterday
Oregon did the same thing all game long, and we still couldn’t stop it. It was just like us and USC. You guys didn’t hide what you were trying to do, and we still couldn’t stop it
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by The VD Special on Nov 30, 2008 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Bellotti has a great track record in games after a bye (not sure of the exact record sorry) so Riley had his work cut out, esp. on only a week’s rest and esp. with our system, which can’t be an easy offense to prepare for.
It's spelled "M-A-R-C-H-I-N-G-B-A-N-D."
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
Bellotti’s record now after a bye week is 15-2, one of those losses was the Arizona game last year
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Disagree
Unless you were saying that Head Coaches are overcredited. I’d say O-Coordinators and D-Coordinators, Special Teams coaches, etc.
Alright time's up lez do this...
*are the ones with the reigns in the game
at least somewhat, over the HC.
Alright time's up lez do this...
Thanks for keeping it classy VD
You took your beating like one should.
Good luck with future games.
--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog
The backwards feel of the build up
Beaver flags abound. Proud beaver believers calling up every radio show that would here them. Basically everyone smelling the roses before they had even been nipped from the garden. Though the ducks arent always the beneficiary of hype before a civil war more often than not they tend to be. And to underplay the power of the underdog momentum I believe is a mistake.
by BeaverBasketball_1_win@atime on Nov 30, 2008 9:26 PM PST reply actions
Nick Aliotti is still the worst coordinator in all of college football
This is coming from a duck fan…
by BeaverBasketball_1_win@atime on Nov 30, 2008 9:30 PM PST reply actions
It's a sad reality that I and many others have come to accept...
This Holiday Bowl will be no fun if we play a pass happy team like Mizzou or Tech. Likely Mizzou.
I’d be okay with playing OK State.
Alright time's up lez do this...
We wont play tech
The Cotton Bowl will have first dibs on them.. i’m hoping for OK state.. Mizzou’s TE’s would have a field day
by BeaverBasketball_1_win@atime on Nov 30, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
NIck Alliotti still questions the legality of forward passes to TEs on 3rd and 4th down.
Alright time's up lez do this...
Overrated??
Nice post after a tough loss, VD. But the thing that really stuck out was your needing to defend the Beavs from being called overrated. Is anyone really and truly saying that? If they are, they obviously haven’t watched many Beaver games other than maybe Furd and Penn State.
Losses like this sting, but you guys really did have an outstanding year. And, CV aside, I haven’t noticed any bruinsnation like behavior at all from OSU folks, which makes it really easy to pull for you in games aside from Cal.
Good luck in the bowl game you end up in. I actually do hope you meet ND and put a whooping on them like you did a couple years back.
Go Bears!
Analyzing the Beaver's defense
Ken Goe of the Oregonian did a column yesterday stating, essentially, that the Beaver’s defense was overrated—having shut down a plethora of medicore Pac-10 offenses—and that the two good offensive squads it faced (Oregon and PSU) crushed ’em.
Perhaps—I think it’s safe to say that the Beavers defense this season is far from excellent. USC’s defense this year is excellent. The 2000 Beaver squad played excellent defense. This year? The defense is good, but not excellent.
Excellent defenses have no trouble shutting down the spread and other quasi-gimmicky offenses. You’ll notice that few NFL teams play it—that’s because most NFL teams have good enough defenses (in terms of the speed and skill of the players) that they can mount a consistent pash rush without having to blitz all the time. For the spread to work, the offensive line has to be able to contain a pass rush with little help from the backfield—and against a superior defensive front, that’s simply impossible.
The Beavers had a good pass rush, and got to numerous statuesque quarterbacks—but they did so by blitzing a whole lot. Tactical maneuvers and coverages were employed to make up for individual talent that is good but not great. Against most Pac-10 offenses, it worked; against the Ducks, it did not.
The 2000 Beavs would have had no trouble stopping the 2008 Ducks. For one thing, the offense that year played the spread, so the defense faced it often in practice. Plus, DEs DeLawrence Grant and LaDarias Jackson together formed a fierce pass rush, which would have had no trouble getting to an opposing QB in a nearly-empty backfield.
Of course, the Beavs had numerous execution issues on Saturday; including an inability to tackle.
How did the Ducks offense fare against Pac-10 foes? Two Pac-10 teams beat Oregon; USC and Cal. USC, as stated above, has an excellent defense, one which could consistently get to the Ducks QB without leaving anyone open. Cal is an unusual case in that they play a 3-4 defense—essentially giving them an extra pash-russer for free, without having to send a DB after the quarterback, or leave holes in the box for JJ or Blount to skate through.
The takeaway for this for Beaver fans? Improving the skill of the defensive front is a key concern; the fact that the Beavs blitz so much is an issue. Whether this will be done with recruiting, or by the maturation of current players, I don’t know.
I agree with much of this especially the match up issues and building for the future, but not sure I understand and agree with the overrated aspect (KG’s assessment not yours)?
If that is true how does it explain Utah, USC, Cal and UA? They are pretty good offensive teams and the Beavs did well against all four, and yes maybe not shut down great but very solid. Again, the two teams mentioned PSU and UO ran spread offenses and that seems more of an isolated issue (but an important one to solve) with adjusting to a different scheme. I don’t know, I don’t have answers for it, but to all of the sudden get short-sighted with overrated talk seems to forget other games this year. And I’m not saying the defense was “excellent” this year, but we need to give credit where credit is due and need lay blame where blame is due.
-RVM
Have we become the Ohio State of the Pac10?!
Gross…
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by The VD Special on Dec 1, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Can't defend against the spread
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by The VD Special on Dec 1, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
It's good to see a spread offense, let alone our spread offense
Absolutely violate you guys after CV’s statements, what with his whole “Chip Kelly runs a stupid system, I’m glad you guys run it. Quarterback killers.”
Alright time's up lez do this...
Is the spread option stupid? No.
Is it hungry for quarterbacks? I would say yes, to a certain degree.
Was it fun being absolutely violated? No. I know you’re young, but if you’re looking for a frame of reference, go back to the 50-21 beat down we laid on you guys years back, add the loss you guys had at home last year, multiply it by .25 of the Boise loss then divide it by a swift smack to the balls with a wiffle ball bat.
That’s kinda close anyway… ballpark at least.
the best comparison i can make is Arizona 2006, where we just got absolutely destroyed in Autzen, only this was for way more and to a rival. I felt horrible after that game, because getting crushed at home is a terrible feeling.
It's spelled "M-A-R-C-H-I-N-G-B-A-N-D."
I support Roger Kieschnick in his quest to becoming the best Kieschnick ever to play professional baseball.
It does put the QB at risk
Much depends on the skill of the offensive line against protecting the quarterback without having the other backs blocking; and of the skill of the QB in avoiding pressure.
But yes, it can kill QBs; moreso than other offensive schemes.
by EngineerScotty on Dec 1, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
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Oregon Ducks
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2 | 7 | 4 | 8 |
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Colorado Buffaloes
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Washington Huskies
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7 | 4 | 16 | 7 |
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UCLA Bruins
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5 | 6 | 15 | 8 |
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Washington St. Cougars
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4 | 7 | 12 | 11 |
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