Beaver Nation, take a look into your crystal ball
by Jake Bertalotto on Nov 24, 2008 11:56 PM PST
in Oregon State Football
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PrintWe've been talking a lot about quarterbacks this season, to the point that Lyle and Sean almost seem interchangeable, with Lyle holding a slight edge because of his intangibles.
Sean is healthy this week, with Lyle agin the question mark.
"Lyle threw the ball well in pre-game warmups, so we'll see how he looks in the next few days,'' Riley told Paul Buker of the Oregonian. "We'll just have to decide (later in the week) what the best thing to do is. I think we're getting close to the point where we have two guys that are very competitive and also very, very capable of leading the team.''
It will likely be a similar situation for tailback Jaquizz Rodgers, who suffered a second degree sprain of the AC Joint in his left shoulder. Hopefully, I'll gather some information on the severity of that injury later today or early tomorrow, but for right now, Quizz is definitely a question mark.
But what would the Civil War be without some costly injuries? We can all remember the year in which Ryan Gunderson started at quarterback in place of an injured Matt Moore, and last year Yvenson couldn't go because of an injury.
However, all Riley did last year was take a page out of Pat Casey's book, pinch hitting Matthew Sieverson for Bernard. Sieverson rushed for 142 yards on the afternoon, the most memorable being the 38 yard touchdown scamper on the second play from scrimmage.
The pride of Bend High School makes it look easy.
The beautiful thing about this year is, although we have injuries, nobody is worried about who will start at quarterback or tailback. We've got playmakers at both, and even if we lose Quizz and don't have Lyle, we still have:
- Sean Canfield
- Sammie Stroughter
- James Rodgers
- Ryan McCantsStopHim
- Shane Morales
- Jeremy Francis
- Darrell Catchings
- And more.
And if we really want to make a statement, we could always pull out Damola "Microwave" Adeniji for a touchdown reception or two.
The Oregon State coaching staff has assembled the playmakers on the roster. However, having Quizz would make us feel so much better.
Beaver Nation, which tandem do you think it will be?
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My guess is that they run Quizz to see how he feels
Granted this is only Monday, so they have all week to see how he feels. But I believe that Quizz is a gamer and wants to be on the field. I imagine McCants also getting a lot of touches, and Francis seeing time as well, which I’m down with
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I'm not a doctor, I just play one on TV
Quizz has a second degree shoulder separation. This is an injury to the acromioclavicular joint which connects your collarbone to your shoulder blade. I have had this injury to both arms, the second one being a third degree separation which means my collarbone is no longer connected to my shoulder blade. Since I don’t walk on all fours like my ancient relatives (most of the time anyway) it has little to no effect.
I’m guessing it’s painful for Quiz to lift his arm very high. If he plays, it will probably feel like he has a small knife wedged in there. So his signature cutbacks are not affected, I’m more concerned with how they could pad him up to prepare for hits to the shoulder. Seems kinda risky with only a week of healing. Catching passes is probably a no-go also.
I had the 2nd degree from getting hit by a car.
Not sure if I could have played Pac-10 running back with the shoulder, since I also broke my leg…but it hurt like crazy.
It’s the same injury that Cody Pickett (a very good UW QB, for all you young kids out there) had back in 2002? I don’t remember if he missed any games, but that’s what he had. He threw a lot of ints because of it, since he couldn’t rifle the ball in there.
No idea if Quizz will play, but….I have a feeling.
Roses are Orange.
Yikes, sorry man!
Anyway, I was trying to set you up for “the feeling” comment…you going to bite on that one?
Which way you tending here? Or is that going to be a later in the week post? By the way by then I’ll be so punchy about this game I won’t know what you are writing about!
-RVM
I think...
that I will be a stress case, but not as much as The VD Special!
Oh, that wasn’t the crystal ball prediction you were asking about.
I don’t know to be honest. But will say if Lyle and Quizz do not play or in limited time here are two big things that make me feel okay about it all:
Canfield + Morales + Stroughter = 1st Downs and TDs
James Rodgers + James Rodgers = Lots of yards and even more TDs
Might seem like I’m being flippant, but truly this team is one of the most balanced and deepest teams I’ve seen put on the field for OSU (2000 would be still ahead I think, but not by much). Plus they have come together as a team. And let’s also throw in that this is at Reser. I just believe whoever starts and plays will step up, they all know what needs to happen.
-RVM
Quizz
I think it is more important to have him healthy for the Bowl game, especially if it is for the you know what one against you know who again.
IMO
-RVM
I don't think so
I think it would be awesome to have him for the bowl game, but getting there is the most important think.
I agree there is no use saving him for the Rose Bowl when without we might not even get there.
Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
That bowl was just the "fun" example
Geez, and I even tried to stay clear of mentioning it.!
Anyway, if you want me to be completely serious (“why so serious!”), what I’m saying is if he is not healthy enough to really give us an advantage then rest him for WHATEVER bowl we are going to. I assume we are going to a bowl correct, and one that will be later in the month so he can have time to get healthy. So why hurt him more if that takes away from the bowl game AND as CB McLovin stated below screw up his health for the ongoing future. McCants is healthy and a good runner and at some point we have trust him and the O-line.
As CV noted earlier do we NEED or WANT Quizz to play? I will agree with CV now and have to say it is the latter. And as much as I wanted him to play this upcoming weekend (and trust me I am disappointed he may not) I also trust the depth of this team to give it a pretty good game.
Funny in that you said “don’t count the chickens before they hatch” and I kind-of feel that way of we have to have Quizz in there to win. But hey maybe I’m in the minority here, but I think this team is all around pretty darned good and Quizz is just one piece of a bigger picture.
-RVM
It is a bit like the QB situation
I think that we need to start trusting whoever is playing QB too and get away from this Canfield vs. Moevao thing for now.
-RVM
When did I say that?
Matt Sieverson called and said that we won’t need Quizz to trample Patrick Chung.
Roses are Orange.
back when you got into the whole we “need” versus “want” Quizz thing:
NO! We want him.
We don’t need him to beat Excuse U next week.
We just don’t—but we do want him.
Anyway, I didn’t agree with that at the time and you probably were being flippant, but thought about it some more and said to myself that if he can’t make it advantage Beavs with him in there then I think the offense still be okay.
You can go against your view if you want! I have do that myself on this one!
-RVM
Want Quizz
I think if he’s healthy enough to go and give us an advantage than put him in, but if not like RVM said it would nice to have him for the bowl game.
I think this year is deeper than 2000!
And I will tell you why in one word: 2 quarterbacks.
Roses are Orange.
It is close, it is close
Good point about the QBs. I think there was a bit more depth in 2000 on the WR end of things though. RBs might be an edge to this year. Defense? Hmm, not sure there, it is close.
I could probably be argued either way on this one!
-RVM
NO! Anywhere but wide receiver!
I think they’re about equal as receivers, but this team has better hands, more clutch 3rd down catches, and way better skills in the running and return game. Also, Morales is just plain better than Prescott. James Rodgers is faster than Chad Johnson, too. For reals.
2000’s linebackers were better, but not any faster and this year’s secondary is better. The D-lines have different strengths, but are a push overall in my opinion.
Roses are Orange.
Hmm, I don't know...
but I can tell you this and this team is better than people give them credit for.
-RVM
Not worth the risk of further injuring Quizz
we got this guy for 3 more years, lets keep him healthy and injury free. McCants and Francis will do just fine.
I would not put Darrell Catchings as a playmaker, not this year at least. Ever since that Stanford game where he fumbled it into the endzone he has hardly played and hasn’t made any big plays for us.
I think we should go Canfield all the way! Sammie and james should go deep and burn the Ucks secondary
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Nov 24, 2008 2:24 PM PST reply actions
I agree
Like VD said, Quizz is a total gamer, and will want to play, but if Riley has the final call, and he usually does, i’m guessing we’ll go with McCants.
I thought
You said it was more important to have him in there?
I was getting at much of what CB McLovin was saying and we shouldn’t risk it with him (though I have this feeling that he’ll try and give a go).
-RVM
Got it, and agree totally
I do think it is important as you said above if he’s healthy enough to give it a go.
I do want him to be good enough to make an impact, trust me! Plus would be very fun to see him against the ducks. And all that I’ve said before I do wonder if he doesn’t get the green light for some playing time.
AND with all my yapping about it I do believe one reason he might play is that this is a huge game, as I think V. Butler said: “it is a one game season.” If this was like last year’s game I don’t know if he would play at all, but this year is huge. Oh, and I’m glad I’m not making the call for playing him or not!
Anyway, sorry if I was confusing before. This week has got me amped up.
-RVM
According to Paul Buker
As of Tuesday Quizz is labeled as very doubtful. Hopefully his status approves through the week, but I don’t think it will. Let’s not forget though that McCants was the starter before the season started, and can prove he can play in the Pac-10. I feel a lot more comfortable with him than I did with Sieverson last year.
yep just saw that
So I was wrong in my heart, but my head said otherwise. It’s too bad, but I totally agree about McCants. Plus with the way James R. has been running I also feel pretty comfortable, but darn…
-RVM
Two things that matter a lot:
1) Our offensive line
If they do their job well, it matters much less who is running the ball
2)The atrocious Duck passing defense
Always good for a few hundred yards per game and at least 2 TD’s
by Orange and Black Legacy on Nov 24, 2008 2:35 PM PST reply actions
Riley...
Given that Riley is going to have a week to change our plays up for McCants I think he will start McCants. I think that alot of the plays that we ran in the Arizona game were zone blocking plays that were designed for Quizz. But Riley is gonna switch it up and get some upfield running plays in there that fit McCants alot better than the zone blocking plays he ran in the Arizona game. McCants will have a lot better chance of getting good yards when we are running plays that fit his running style!
Go Beavs!!!
We will run the same exact plays with either runner.
Same blocking schemes, too. You just can’t change those in a week. Quizz and McCants are different styles of runners, but the plays are the same.
There will be more calls off the fly offense though, to spread the ball to more players besides Quizz—since McCants won’t be the best player on the field like Quizz is. Sammie and James will get the ball more often, it will be more similar playcalling to 2007, just like we saw on Saturday.
Roses are Orange.
I have no doubt
that Mike Riley will have our team prepared for this game. Having so much game film of the ducks and learning their tendancies, Riley and Langsdorf will surely be able to exploit their weaknesses. And our defense has seen enough of the spread offense that we know how to defend it better than anyone in the pac 10.
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Nov 24, 2008 4:14 PM PST reply actions
Tough to say
I voted Canfield-McCants because that’s what I think will happen. Canfield showed us he can lead the team to victory, even in hostile environments like Tucson and the Rose Bowl. We’re coming off a crazy W, I’m not sure if Riley would want to do that.
I don’t know, I mean, Coach Riley did sit Moevao last game, even after getting the nod against CAL. But, this is the biggest game of the year, with everything on the line, so all logic goes out the window!
I think if Quizz plays, it will only be for spurts(sp?). McCants will do the bulk of the running while Quizz comes in to mix it up. Francis will also be serviceable at that position.
Ehhhhhhh, I’m nervous. :(
Canfield and McCants
I think it will be Canfield and McCants. ESPN has already announced that Quizz is doubtful for this Saturday’s game. But I have more than enough confidence in Ryan McCants. I think if he knows that he will start and the game plan is made knowing he will start then I believe he has a big game. Also, I have been saying this since the Arizona State game and I will continue to say this: we are a better team with SEAN CANFIELD. I love Moevao’s charisma as much as the next person but Sean Canfield has more overall talent. I think we can and will win this game with Canfield at the quarterback position. I also think that Riley might be starting to think that Canfield is the better QB if you listen to his comments the last two days…
GO BEAVS!!!
Changing the topic a bit
My bet is that Jake will have a post about this topic, but I do want to say something that we can’t overlook is the other side of the ball and how important the match up between UO’s offense and OSU’s defense will be. I personally think OSU’s offense will be okay and it really could come down to the defense winning this game by doing what they did to UA.
-RVM
I agree
UO can definitely put up points in bunches so the Beavs D needs to contain them, just like they did against Arizona. It seems as though OSU’s offense takes a little longer to put up points one of those back and forth games (all offense and no defense) is what UO thrives on.
According to Kerry Eggers
Moevao is probable for Saturday, but an official decison will be made Wednesday.
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