Postgame React: Oregon State 27, Arizona State 25
by Jake Bertalotto on Nov 1, 2008 10:44 PM PDT
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All your post-game chatter here. Lots of things to talk about after this game- the comment thread is all yours.
We need to learn how to put teams like this away, but I'll definitely take the win.
GO BEAVERS!
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That was a helluva game
It was nice to see Canfield come in and be effective
by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Nov 1, 2008 10:48 PM PDT reply actions
Great win
good job guys. To note, I should have the audio recording available up sometime tomorrow for those that said they were interested. I will say that I look forward to CV exaggerating OSU’s “dominance” of ASU tonight as well as his exaggerated view of the Cal-UO game.
Good to see Canfield out there. Showed a lot of why he was running the team last year until his injury.
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Well, I for one...
am not looking forward to some of the duck fans going on about OSU’s inconsistent play and how our wins are fairly meaningless.
But you all and CV please do have at it!
p.s. Anyway, thanks for the audio and looking forward to hearing the call they had of the game.
-RVM
As a duck fan, considering the Cal game, I’m not sure we should be the ones throwing (pun intended) the “inconsistent stones”. Pop me an email and I’ll send you the link to download the audio. Note that my ferret, unbeknownst to me, hit my volume key on my stereo and I didn’t notice it until during halftime. The first half is a bit gravely as a result, tried to fix it as best as I could but the second half should be much better.
Sorry about that.
--Dominic
Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.
Sacked, landed hard on his throwing shoulder.
It didn’t look horrible… word is that he has a sprained right shoulder.
Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave
moyvow
Got slammed to the ground after a pass that messed up his shoulder.
by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Nov 1, 2008 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
um, i hope it's not horrible.
I’m a Beaver fan who is not in the Canfield camp yet. We need Moyvow back. However, with all of Canfield’s injuries, it is good to see that he has come back, and can throw the ball still (to ASU defenders – he hasn’t lost that – jk).
Jeremy
I’ve been in the Canfield bus since day 1. He seemed to be progressing along last year until he got a cheap shot against SC. He opens up the deep ball that we desperately need for our back to have any room.
He just has an Anderson arm that will gun balls over our guy’s heads. But he controlled it after that pick and played great.
by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Nov 1, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Moevao looked fine on the sideline in the second half.
He didn’t seem to be in pain.
--JB--
by Jake Bertalotto on Nov 1, 2008 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was a situtation where Canfield was playing well enough not to risk Moevao going in.
Canfield has been maligned for being unemotional, but he played with passion tonight. It was fun to watch.
Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave
Yeah, he had a couple nice fistpumps.
And passes…. haha
--JB--
by Jake Bertalotto on Nov 2, 2008 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Gosh, I know.
I just wanted to put them away!!
--JB--
by Jake Bertalotto on Nov 2, 2008 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
me too
but it was a nice bit of turn around to hold them on the 2 point conversion, even though it was a little ugly on that last ASU drive there were also some great defensive plays and it should recover a little more confidence that may have lost during the Utah game in holding teams. I’m guessing that having to rely on big defensive stands will be upcoming in these end of the season games.
-RVM
It's high time someone said it, so I will...
Props to Justin Kahut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We were all rightly worried earlier on in the season that if a game came down to the kicking game, we would be in big trouble. But he pulled through tonight, 3/3 on xp’s, and 2/3 on field goals, both beyond 40 yards.
Sure, it would have been nice to have had the last one to put the game away, but it was a bad snap. All in all, I was very happy to see this performance.
Jeremy
The one he missed was long too
It would have made the game a two possession contest down the stretch, but hey, I can live with that. Those two field goals he made earlier in the game were awesome.
--JB--
by Jake Bertalotto on Nov 2, 2008 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I have an interesting observation
I am not a big fan of the booing by the home crowds of their team, but something interesting happened with Canfield I think. He threw that INT to the house and then a little later had a bad overthrow to Morales (I think) and the boos came out (and pretty sure it was for the crappy throw and not for a defensive hold for the throw stunk). But it seemed to really fire Canfield up and he played really really well after that. In this case it seemed to be a case of we expect better of you and he responded okay I’ll show you all I can do better. And as some others noticed in the other game thread and above he was very fired up and throwing some pretty sharp tosses.
(That said I do think Lyle needs to be the QB though for the rest of the season, he was throwing well and we do need his leadership, but nice to see Canfield step in and win it.)
-RVM
Secondary
There have been comments about how “porous” the secondary has been. You know don’t get me wrong it is a horrible feeling to see the ball up in the air forever on those long plays and the defender never looking around and letting the receiver to make all kinds of adjustments to catch them. It is something that needs to be changed, especially against Cal and UA (and most likely the team we play in whatever bowl game will be able to throw deep).
But I don’t know if I consider the defense as porous though. To me that means they are not only letting long ones happen, but getting burned by crossing routes, throwing over the middle at will, teams can throw at will in the redzone, etc. and in general giving away 300+ yards a game passing.
Also, one huge issue with last night’s game is when they didn’t get any pressure on Carpenter, for any time he had to move around he had problems. So it is not only on the secondary. Plus the secondary had some great coverages that led to Carpenter running out of time and being either pressured enough to throw it away or sacked.
Again, it frustrates me to no end on those long passes and yes I’m concerned, but just don’t see it as porous (quite yet) and think this can be improved upon.
-RVM
Game
Well, that wasn’t what I predicted, but I agree in a way it would be a surprise if ASU came out flat after that loss at home last week.
It was a little restless time there for awhile in the stadium and a bit quiet, and I wanted the Beavs to put them away (and should have after that Rodgers’ run that was called back), but a heck lot of energy by the fans at the end and it was a great football game at the end.
-RVM
Any injury update on Moevao?
i dont think its too serious and he didn’t look like he was in much pain. I hope he is back for the UCLA game
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Nov 2, 2008 11:18 AM PST reply actions
Hope so too
I think our chances are better with Moevao, especially on the road.
At the Rose Bowl.
--JB--
by Jake Bertalotto on Nov 2, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Canfield's movement
Is poor. He looks like he’s a statue out there. I always cringed when the defensive line was swarming around him and he was in one spot. That may also be a strength knowing that he doesn’t get nervous in that kind of situation.
I think the O-Line did a great job of holding them at bay while he made decisions.
Beaver believer!
I think he's been doing a good job moving in the pocket
Example: USC game
--JB--
by Jake Bertalotto on Nov 2, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Tavita Thompson
Does anyone know how he played? I wasn’t paying attention much to him.
Beaver believer!
I didn't watch him individually that much
But yeah, add me to the list of people who would like a report on Tavita
--JB--
by Jake Bertalotto on Nov 2, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Tavita...
Looked fairly rusty. There were a couple of times where you could tell the protection broke down because of his man getting free. I am assuming he was just rusty after not playing for almost a year. I’m sure he will get better as the season goes on but he definitely had some mistakes in both the run and pass game.
I saw him blocking well...
But I also admit to seeing him out of position a few times (or so it appeared to an idiot like me). He seemed like he was trying to do a little more than was being asked and it wasn’t exactly a good thing, for instance on pass protection on one play that I decided to watch the line closely I saw him drift in front of the rest of the line and across the center. Could that be the way the scheme is drawn up? Sure. Is it likely? Probably not.
I think we’d be stupid not to be excited to have a talent like him back. Next game he’ll look even better.
I may be in the minority...
But I think we are better off with Canfield as the starter. He adds a different dimension to the pass game because of his arm strength. No, he is not as mobile as Moevao and maybe not even as good of a leader, but the defense has to respect the deep ball with him at QB. It allows more running room for Quizz and it can also allow us to take advantage of Stroughter’s talent down the field. I think we would be better off with Canfield and as you can see he got stronger as the game went on. But again I am probably in the minority on that…
The defense was a disappointment. There was hardly any type of pass rush and we got carved up again in the passing game. Arizona will surely exploit that if we don’t get it fixed soon. And look I like Greg Laybourn but he is not good in coverage. He is too slow to keep up with most receivers and seems to get beat downfield a lot. But an even bigger question is, what the hell happened to that run defense??? They were gashed by Arizona State up-front last night. The run defense was supposed to be the strong part of the defense and to give up so many yards to a sub-par run game in Arizona State was extremely disappointing.
Overall, I know you have to win games like this sometimes to get to where you want to go but it looks like there is a lot of work to do before we can realistically think about a Rose Bowl appearance….
Here's the thing with Canfield.
Yes, he can throw the deep ball and that helps us; however, his mistakes absolutely kill us. That pick six last night was brutal.
Arizona State showed what could happen if you limit turnovers. They aren’t as good and didn’t have a great offensive night in terms of total yards, but they didn’t turn it over and they still had a chance in the game. Canfield is so scary when he throws those near-interceptions. Moevao, in the end, gets the ball to our playmakers and doesn’t lose the game himself. The next four games are about not turning it over and playing defense. I think with Jacquizz, Sammie, Shane, James, etc., offense isn’t as big as an issue. If whoever is playing quarterback on this team doesn’t have turnovers, we will win a lot of games. Moevao has been better at avoiding the game-killing mistakes.
Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave
you're in the minority.
With Lyle in there, we have the most efficient, versatile, productive offense in the Pac-10.
Moevao doesn’t lead the conference in passing for nothing.
Ask yourself this: would you rather have McCants starting instead of Quizz? It’s not perfectly analogous, but it’s pretty close.
How is it spelled?
It's spelled S-h-u-V-3-0-0-0.
I understand about Canfield but going to agree with Cablinasian and say also that we are just not in the right place to consider Canfield as better for us at this time in the season. Lyle M. is our QB, he has proven himself enough, and we need that leadership.
Defense, see my comments above for I do agree with some of your observations. But will have to say not sure I was watching the same game as you overall. Sure there were weak points, and yes do agree they need to tighten it up more for the upcoming games. BUT, they did play a nice bend but not break game all night and not sure they got “carved up.” When we get “carved up” we will know (ah, Penn State?). Come on one TD was an INT returned against us (by your pick Canfield by the way) and the other was the last minute drive and will add Carpenter threw a couple incredible balls (that TD was on a string). So defensively gave up one TD against a team that looked to have made some nice offensive adjustments especially in its running game. And I think the main thing was I did not see the “bigger question” of the run D, they had one huge run and two or three solid medium ones and were at 129 not counting the sacks (which by the way was still less than Quizz by himself). Sure they had a 100 yard rusher but I just didn’t see those horrible missed tackles we were seeing early in the season. Oregon gave up as much last weekend. Was it stunning run D? No way and I imagine they will be practicing very hard this next week, but it was solid enough to help win the game.
Yes, I’m not even going to start talking **** Bowl yet, way too early even if they were playing Texas Tech ball right now, but not sure it was as bad as you have implied.
Improvements need to be made = Heck yes!
ASU = Agree with Cablinasian below and also will say a tough place for the Beavs to come into with ASU trying hard to avoid some bad history and us coming in from a bye. I think it turned out like Cablinasian said and they played solid enough but we really did outplay them.
Upcoming games = Big time challenges against some good teams (and yes UCLA will also be a challenge for all this game will mean and on the road), but if you have noticed both Cal, UA, and UO have not been totally lighting it up all the time. Cal did not win all that convincingly this weekend either.
-RVM
by rvm on Nov 2, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Look a win is a win...
and I understand that but I guess I was disappointed our performance since we were coming off a bye week and playing at Reser. Like I said earlier, I know that sometimes you just have to win ugly or close games and that you can’t play one of the Washington schools every week so you can pad your stats but I can POSSIBLY see trouble down the road if things don’t tighten up. Arizona is a MUCH better pass team than Arizona State and could possibly do a lot more damage if that secondary doesn’t start turning around to look for the ball every once in a while. Also, Oregon and CAl are MUCH better run teams than Arizona State is and will both be a lot more effective on the ground. I am just as happy as the next guy with a win and would undoubtedly take a two point win in every game the rest of the season if I could but I saw some holes out there last night. However, I’m sure the Mike Riley and Co. did too and I’m sure they will work on fixing the problems this week in practice. I still have full faith in my Beavs but just was a little disappointed/ frustrated with some things I saw last night. But I guess its nice to have things to point and poke at and still win. haha.
GO BEAVS!!!
Yep, and don't get me totally wrong
I have many of the same feelings, but guess I don’t want to nit-pick it too much for as you said a W is a W. But it was nice that they still were able to get that W on a bit of a flat night.
But hell yes I was frustrated too, I mean at least look back on your mark to check if the ball is coming your way. On some of those long plays by ASU we gave them way too much time to readjust to make catches. And being live there watching the ball just going and going and the defender never…well anyway just want to let you know I feel it too.
I don’t maybe after not having things go quite our way versus Stanford and Utah has made me appreciate this type of win more.
One thing about ASU, yes they are not that good this year and they were way over-hyped, but they are good enough that they were apt to put something together sometime and luckily they did a bit on us and we were still able to win with our talent.
Anyway, I’ll be there with you rooting the team on next weekend against UCLA! Go Beavs!
-RVM
by rvm on Nov 2, 2008 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
The defense just wasn't that badif you look at it.
They did a tremendous job of bend, don’t break defense. I know it’s not a great leg to stand on, but if you take out the 54-yard run (against our second unit defensive line) and the last drive, Arizona State gained 230 yards of offense. They held Rudy Carpenter to 15-27 passing. I know he threw for a lot of yards, but the low completion percentage shows that their offense wasn’t that effective.
Also, with the exception of the 54-yard run, counting in sacks, the Beavers allowed 24 yards to the Sun Devils. It’s not like they had enormous success against the Beaver front.
Let’s look at how they scored. The first touchdown was on an interception. They had great field position because of poor punting. One of the punts was such a line drive that the ASU player had an easy runback deep into OSU territory. Again and again, despite the field position, we stopped them from scoring touchdowns.
What did the defense not do well? We have to play better against the fade route. Tuitama will eat us alive if we continue to ignore the ball and just play the receiver. With the exception of the fade, the OSU pass defense played pretty well.
It wasn’t a perfect game, but it wasn’t like OSU played horrible on defense. Carpenter came out and made some nice throws.
Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave
Hope you are not trying to convince me because I totally agree!
Yes on the big plays! I actually forgot to mention that when ASU had those big plays such as the run and return that the D did not allow a TD. That’s not bad, for they could’ve broken and the game would have been very different. I actually think that was a huge part of why we won.
It wasn’t a perfect game, but it wasn’t like OSU played horrible on defense. Carpenter came out and made some nice throws.
Yep, that sums it up for me too.
-RVM
by rvm on Nov 3, 2008 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
How badly injured do you think Moevao's shoulder has to be for Canfield to start?
anything below 70%, I’m going with Canfield.
What do you guys think?
by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Nov 3, 2008 4:06 PM PST reply actions
No idea.
I didn’t even notice him leave the game. All of the sudden I’m looking at Canfield in the backfield and not a single person in the section I was in could figure out where Moevao went or what was wrong with him.
I don’t know how to attach a percentage point to his health/abilities but I trust that if he can go and it’s in his best interest in the long term as well, Riley will call his number. If not, Canfield has proved himself a competent backup. I have (gulp) confidence in Canfield.
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