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We've Come A Long Way, Baby

So thanks to posts by rvm and olzeke, I decided to get some facts about our team. Now, while the program had success in the 50s and 60s under Tommy Prothro and Dee Andros, I feel that the best way to judge a program's successes is recently. So therefore, I compiled the records from 1970-1996 (we will call it BR as in Before Riley) and the records since. And let me tell you, our program has made leaps and bounds from where it was.

During the 70s, we had some run off from the Dee Andros era, but Craig Fertig lost all momentum (btw, I do feel bad about talking bad about Fertig, who passed this last week. May he Rest In Peace). We finished the 70s with a 25-83 record (23% winning percentage) and had 0 bowl games and 0 top 25 finishes. It went all downhill from there.

The 80s came and went, and Joe Avezzano and Dave Kragthorpe were leading the mighty Beavers into battle. It was a battle that we lost 78% of the time. We finished the 80s with a combined 22-85-4 record, and again, no bowl games or top 25 finishes. To put it in perspective: we had 22 wins in 10 years. We had 21 loses the first two years (0-11, 1-10).

From 1990-1996, two coaches led our team: Dave Kragthorpe's final year was 1990 and Jerry Pettibone took us all the way up to the apocalypse. While there was hope with JP, it never took, and the Beavers had the worst of their winning percentages during this time, finishing 14-62-1 (18%) and no bowl game or top 25 finish.

Then, a miracle happened. A young new head coach from Corvallis named Mike Riley was hired in 1997 to try and change the fortunes of this laughable program. Seriously. We were as bad as Duke (before this year), WSU and Syracuse. It was pathetic. We generally had a win or 2 every year, but I don't even know who those teams were. In Riley's first year, he took a rag tag team of option players and turned it into a 3 win year. The next year, we finished 5-6, our best record since 1970. Riley bolted for the NFL.

Enter Dennis Erickson: 7-5 his first year, he took us to our first bowl game since the 1964 Rose Bowl. He then took a couple guys by the name of Chad Johnson, TJ Whos-ya-mama, Jonathan Smith, DeLawrence Grant, Ken Simonton, and others, and led them to an 11-1 year, a Fiesta Bowl win, and a #4 finish. And we were a field goal away from being in the National Championship that year (a lot of analysts believed we were the best team in the country that year but I digress). The following year was a disappointment, starting preseason as S.I. #1 team and finishing 5-6, but we rebounded with an 8-5 year and a visit to the Insight Bowl. DE bolts for the NFL.

Enter Mike Riley 2.0: He has improved this program so much that our fans expect to win games, not just be happy when we do. It started with his turnaround his first term here, and he has continued where he left off. Since his first term, we have been to 7 bowl games, finished in the top 25 3 years, and currently have 19 wins the last 2 years. 19 wins in 2 years! That is almost as many wins as we had in the 1970s and then in the 1980s!

The fact that our fans now expect great things from our team is a testiment to our far this team has come since 1998, and I don't want it to stop. Everything has improved. Recruiting has gotten better. The facilities have gotten better. Everything has gotten better. I don't know about you, but I'm excited that 8 wins is now considered mediocre is a good thing. Don't get me wrong, I know that we are not a Michigan, a Texas, an Alabama. And we never will be. But if we continue to win, there's no reason that we can't change the national perception of this program. Go Beavs!

As one last final note, I'd love it if someone over at AtQ would write a piece about how Oregon has improved drastically over the last 20 years. Yes, you have been winning consistently for about 10 years more than us, but you weren't always a good program. In fact, Oregon and Oregon State used to only try and win the Civil War and this state was a laughing stock for football.

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Great post!

Thanks for the details. Yes, looking over those numbers it does become even more incredible.

I also agree that AtQ should do a piece along these lines for yes your comment about the Civil War game during those dark years having a totally different bent to it was oh so true! That also was something very surreal about the 2000 year and the level both schools were playing at and a Civil War game for all the marbles.

-RVM

by rvm on Oct 7, 2008 5:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Steven Jackson

Steven Jackson didn’t go to the fiesta bowl!!!

by beavernation13 on Oct 7, 2008 8:33 PM PDT   0 recs

Nope...

Still the days of Ken Simonton.

--www.AddictedToQuack.com, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Oct 7, 2008 8:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Touche

May want to edit that.

Your friendly neighborhood placekicker.

by butthol on Oct 8, 2008 8:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Awesome Read

Thanks for pulling this together. Quite an interesting read for sure. If some of the authors and such don’t pull a summary together for AtQ, I will post one up in a couple days. I would venture to bet there are a lot of similarities in the stories.

I know this might be the wrong place for this, but the Duck Store has a GREAT video about Autzen Stadium that details a lot of the history of the football team and some of the moments over the years. Moreso, it goes into a general history of the stadium and the local history surrounding it (the shooting in the 80’s, the expansion, the Grateful Dead concerts, etc).

I haven’t perused the OSU store much but is there a similar DVD available for Reser/Parker? That would be quite a resource!

Here is a link to the Autzen one for those that would be interested
http://uoduckstore.com/goducks/details_goducks.cfm?id=2026&section=2&all=yes

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Oct 8, 2008 12:15 AM PDT   0 recs

Thanks

Yep, might well be the wrong place for some people! :)

But I think that’s a really nice resource and I’m not sure if OSU has a similar production which yes also would be a fun resource.

One thing I would add that might piss some people off, but have to add it anyway. I personally think that with the success of the UO program happening before the Beavs there was some pressure for OSU to move up. In NO way am I saying that the success of OSU football is only due to UO’s success, there are too many different things happening. I mean getting Riley and Erickson in was also a bit of luck and timing. Plus the coaches and players do have a lot to do with how the teams perform! But there is the competition at the program level that does play a part (new UO baseball team anyone?, don’t get me started about this example though). I think UO basketball owes some of its recent status and success to OSU’s programs high standards under Ralph Miller.

-RVM

by rvm on Oct 8, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Couldn't Agree More

For sure RVM. I think you hit it right on the nose. I think as you go back, you can see how much Oregon and Oregon State actually help each other to succeed and push each other. There are numerous examples

1. Oregon relaunching their baseball team due in no small part to OSU’s success (despite what Kilkenny will say publically)

2. The Autzen Stadium expansion and the corresponding Reser expansion

3. Playing more high profile opponents in both programs (Penn State, Michigan, etc)

4. athletic facilities, research, general education quality, etc

5. Basketball as you mention above

If anything else, the rivalry between the two schools has dramatically improved not only the athletic quality at both schools, but also the academic excellence both schools are known for. The national profile of both schools has really taken off. Oregon has had an amazing marketing campaign since the late 90’s and Oregon State has gotten to taken advantage of that indirectly as well. With Oregon State landing Barack Obama’s brother-in-law as their head coach, the basketball program should start to rise from the ashes with quite a bit of national exposure (especially if the presidential election goes that way).

I get quite a bit of grief from OSU and Oregon fans alike for riding both sides of the fence sometimes but you can’t look at the history of the two schools objectively without acknowledging how much good the two universities bring to each other from 50 miles away…both academically and athletically.

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Oct 8, 2008 11:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

Not going to try and not to add too much more to this for I don’t want to get myself into too much trouble!

But very much agree. I will say though that at times it does rub the wrong way and becomes problematic. Such as there becomes problems of certain perceptions and expectations of certain programs (both athletic and academic) and how each fits into the state at large. One problem I can’t stand is that at times there becomes too much comparison/competition when in many ways the universities are very different. To be polite this leads sometimes to a snobbish attitude at one end (my opinion here for it probably goes both ways) when there is no need for a comparison to happen in the first place.

One athletic example is the baseball deal, I personally was (okay, still am) rubbed wrong about the so-called reasons for this at the UO. But I was being a bit naive about it all I guess and was hey OSU has baseball they can stake their unique claim to and UO has track and field. But you know if it makes OSU baseball even better than more power to it all.

-RVM

by rvm on Oct 8, 2008 11:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Couldn't agree more

But academically, comparing the two schools is comparing apples to oranges. OSU’s science colleges (engineering, general sciences, etc) thump UO’s (although I will admit UO has a strong pre-med program). Oregon’s business and philosophy-esque colleges thump ours. If we’re going to get into an argument about academics, it’s stupid. Every school in the Pac-10 is well respected in academics, and I think it’s something our conference and its fans take a lot of pride in. In terms of major Division 1 sports, only the ACC can sport the same number of prestigious public and private universities (Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Miami, VTech, Wake Forest, Boston College, Maryland…)

I would like to point out that it seems there has been a serious shift of power in the Northwest in football. For years, Washington and Washington State dominated the 2 Oregon schools, and now it appears that they are as bad as we both used to be. I wasn’t around during the pitiful days of Oregon/Oregon State football, but my dad told me it’s comparable to what the Washington schools are going through now. I sure do feel bad for the good folks from this state who had to endure those rainy days. Unfortunately, there will be no Toilet Bowl 2.0 in the Apple Cup :-).

One final note, we have been very blessed to have 2 programs that are relevant in a state that is not known for it’s football (high school or otherwise), and generally the best talent from in state heads elsewhere (Erik Ainge to Tenn., Ndamakong Suh to Nebraska, Kevin Riley to Cal, among others). I always point out that it’s easy to fill a 75,000+ seat stadium in the south (LSU, Arkansas, Georgia, Tenn, Kentucky) when you are the MAJOR player in a football filled state. And this also doesn’t exclude programs such as Ohio State, Nebraska, Missouri, Wisconsin, etc. The fact that we are both competitive speaks volumes to where our athletic directors, coaches, players, and fans have brought these programs.

Go Beavs

The Artist Formerly Known as OrState GoBeavs

by The VD Special on Oct 8, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh

The “thanks” was for the link and ideas about a historical video.

I’m not taking credit for VD’s research! Kind of read that way if you just looked at the subject lines.

-RVM

by rvm on Oct 8, 2008 12:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Posted

As per request

http://www.addictedtoquack.com/2008/10/9/631944/we-ve-come-a-long-way-atq

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Oct 9, 2008 11:03 PM PDT   0 recs

Ah, yes Puddles and Roboduck...

How can we have forgotten ye both!

Nice post! Thanks! I hope you get some good feedback from AtQ for that is another good reminder of our programs progress.success.

One thing I think is really interesting about the UO program is the coaching situation. Whereas we had Riley who went to the NFL then Erickson who went to the NFL and Riley again, really the UO only had Brooks then Bellotti. I have to say I’m impressed with Bellotti’s commitment to the program (I keep forgetting since 1995!) , I think maybe it was close last year with all that off the field stuff that happened with his family and the press and the brief (?) UCLA temptation but he seems to be a solid hold on as coach. I think maybe Riley could be headed that way, being a long-term stay, especially if he stays out of WSU and UW type of situations. But stranger things have happened…

-RVM

by rvm on Oct 10, 2008 9:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

About Bellotti

An interesting thing to note is that he did interview for the Ohio State job in 2001 if I remember correctly. There was quite the hubbub made about it since it was during the Joey era and he was one of the hot coaches in the country at that time. What a different conference the Pac-10 could have been. For instance, had Bellotti taken that job, would Tedford had gone with him or become the head coach of Oregon?

--Dominic

Autzen Stadium is where great teams go to die." - J. Brady McCullough, The Michigan Daily.

by dvieira on Oct 10, 2008 10:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow, where was I?

I did not know that (or maybe remembered is a better word). Yep that could have been a bit wild thinking about it all now.

-RVM

by rvm on Oct 10, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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